From lojban+bncCICntNPQBRC89ebiBBoEd7sTaw@googlegroups.com Wed Aug 04 12:09:13 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OgjKi-00060G-F7; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:09:13 -0700 Received: by yxj4 with SMTP id 4sf13289401yxj.16 for ; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:08:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vIr9rNwPER8sjfi+h7zgAHFzWEq7LTucM2ovza+bq1Q=; b=KxbiDDx4t1BmfxejUKLsIEh8J7p4ikuiAekBG62y+T+MxoEpTg7RrvcwCRMT7/Eh9D dnK2fq7YcMqxpZ8nsjpx/L2iTdTGeDyYlB08Ynq78XV1G1zCQOvSbdEna4OP2XY3BTQq trt8E33bd4h+11n/40556vNBdZEI6iDPJuv6E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=u+Ys1l63YPT0QnfUhFXMQoIxeT7FQdcGnnVKaZC+4znPrygWg+0NmtsSLFxMwZD+1p mFF1ZGIRf+ByYY90Lrh8jPMcrTRHkTab5cg0wPNx2vCKH3rIMKhE70i7BUA1ZGzv7gmd q38kUsIxr35YpfMk8J8pbRBhbzoBJHo4ZyhDM= Received: by 10.90.79.11 with SMTP id c11mr1845521agb.37.1280948924254; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:08:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.103.16 with SMTP id a16ls91450agc.3.p; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:08:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.113.18 with SMTP id l18mr1828811agc.58.1280948915688; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by h40g2000pro.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:08:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 166.134.11.68 References: <5c502663-6c46-47d8-9808-cd093da084b7@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100722 Firefox/3.6.8 ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: Translation Help From: Lindar To: lojban X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Despite all of the semantic confusion, it seems we have further confusion. Literally 'eternity' is "time-eternal" {temcimni}, so it doesn't really make sense to say "a time-ish forever-thing is not measured in time.", because that's like saying, "A red house was not painted that way." or something. My best guess anyway follows: Eternity is not measured by time. .i le temcimni ku na nikei lo temci 'The time-eternal is not an amount (of something) measured in a time- duration.' Time does not dream with moments. .i le temci ku na senva sepi'o lo mokca 'The time-duration does not dream using tool 0-dimensional-form.' Alternately: .i le temci ku na kansa lo mokca lo nu senva 'The time-duration does not accompany a 0-dimensional-form in an event of dreaming.' The moments are written with eternity. .i le mokca ku se ciska fo le temcimni 'The 0-dimensional-form is written with writing tool the time- eternal.' Would most say I've hit the mark? Also, has Lojban become trendy? What's with the fad lately of asking us to translate weird poetic stuff that is invariably difficult due to Englishfail so it can be put into a book/game/RP/poster? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.