From lojban+bncCICntNPQBRDk-ebiBBoEWgLEoQ@googlegroups.com Wed Aug 04 12:18:26 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OgjTc-0006W0-Nc; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:18:26 -0700 Received: by gyb13 with SMTP id 13sf13324537gyb.16 for ; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:18:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=KHsK2KUM2HRtk9cdUdQ47HA7znMwAtgJVcP3+06k1ik=; b=lEj7iYniTrmCR2iMLj6A8T10Tz+l/bYcp0J0BveUDd1vdRb72GzA3AATg2ATqhVkMP U8rTzxYb51tZdccmi9RhTX5GsPaKu1eppsjAUnjjV4EBibbHVLniws3bMQrvvP97twhc xfeU53xmCJrF1EW2oEkAI4w8jfj4eVJ57J8tw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=e0QjhOc3ufydKONEQyFANUAHGeheKUvDmBK/7AsJuGdqTAHwjK65r+kvl/K8nDEJw/ Y71jdDe5wPLdbA4Px7nNhlrWVvm92TWOrpEzwWdh2vwhbERjtLdgc6irGGKWmy8BTB+w kzwusQqq2WGxoSshjHIOY6DWG30FArWF8T8kQ= Received: by 10.101.179.22 with SMTP id g22mr1194999anp.6.1280949476431; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:17:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.185.34 with SMTP id m34ls590590anp.7.p; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:17:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.124.9 with SMTP id b9mr1197737ann.26.1280949475076; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by z34g2000pro.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:17:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 166.134.11.68 References: <5c502663-6c46-47d8-9808-cd093da084b7@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100722 Firefox/3.6.8 ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: Translation Help From: Lindar To: lojban X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Now that I think of it, I want to post about this here before I forget. It's somewhat relevant. Uncle Robin posted a link to some kind of article about how geek culture needs to change if we're ever going to amass numbers and followings like stupider groups, and the article resonated with me quite well (I think it should be plastered all over lojban.org, it's a great article). There was one phrase in the article that made me laugh because it was entirely impossible to translate into Lojban. "Smart is not the opposite of stupid." or something to that effect. {.i lo si'o mencre ku na dukti lo si'o tolmencre}. It's funny, because we come up with some of the weirdest crap to say in English. Literally, smart -is- the opposite of stupid in Lojban. Mental-expert, un-mental-expert. I was reminded of this suddenly when I was thinking about time-ish things not being able to be measured in time-units. Hmmm... maybe that's a better translation? .i le temcimni ku ka'enai nikei lo temci Yeah, I'd use that. "The time-eternal is incapable of being an amount of (something) measured in time-duration." ...then again, maybe not? Not quite the same meaning. So yeah, come back and clarify for us what you mean. Also, maybe you could shed some light on the fad of putting Lojban translations of English poetry/quotes/idioms into written works? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.