From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDvhfHiBBoEJrfL_Q@googlegroups.com Fri Aug 06 10:14:55 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OhQVC-0006uJ-T5; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:14:55 -0700 Received: by wyb42 with SMTP id 42sf648074wyb.16 for ; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:14:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1K2MlWdDawhmyNjPVg++t1gHubKn8m0ZAY6ZkVkvAlI=; b=bPbRHromPfG16SKcs9CRT9TSmrZNlpGGiwiXujUvYENbd2kqY6osgGQhQiKuD1FQ51 QUMxlH7zXozHTKui86GWww+ipragZAgYUIGT/j5/Ho9CI7O10FrECx4VbCKZdfskIMbb O2BTT5nw34nHGJu5fZvketeo88f4o99IlU+JA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qJO9GfuowQtU1wOVQ8uOwROhjPSfX/crac/f4wvqAAku0XSnO3YyHvUE/9bM3sDzVP LDA3hDxuRb2vn4NduMf/cpBmf1NcA/TNgBZvNhivawmWThouCEV6wInD1vKRqV6Mpv4s rFXORXkHV0U9BKkfrIUVpQzDcEnUr1XWoypN4= Received: by 10.216.145.165 with SMTP id p37mr2683176wej.28.1281114863485; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:14:23 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.60.209 with SMTP id u59ls1483431wec.0.p; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.22.194 with SMTP id t44mr118433wet.4.1281114861355; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.22.194 with SMTP id t44mr118432wet.4.1281114861320; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f49.google.com (mail-ww0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id x37si581219weq.0.2010.08.06.10.14.20; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.49; Received: by mail-ww0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 14so9363814wwi.30 for ; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:14:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.134.69 with SMTP id i5mr10096048wbt.165.1281114859805; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:14:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:14:19 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Illogical English Sign From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > =A0I considered it to be more pronomial mismatch than ambiguity. > I'd've preferred "Those identified not washing their hands > =A0after bathroom use may be approached by their coworkers", personally. > (And similarly with your example sentence. I consider it just plain > wrong) =A0But your solution works just as well, I suppose. I think Spanish is more accepting of matching any noun with first and second person pronouns (especially plural) than English is. Perhaps the writers of the sign chose the second person to implicate the reader more. > =A0 =A0You might consider it Big Brotherish, but this was an excerpt from > the bottom of this three paragraph sign. =A0The first was a reminder > from the Center of Disease Control about the importance of hand > washing, and the second an appeal to protect yourself, your family, > your coworkers and patients from disease. =A0Remember, this is a > hospital, and hand washing is the number one way of avoiding spreading > infections.. a very important consideration in a place where a great > many people are medically fragile and there are many resistant > bacteria and viruses around in the air, on surfaces, etc. Yes, I realized that. >=A0Social > ostracism is an important mechanism of compliance. Here's another cultural tidbit for Lindar. I suspect in my culture being the coworker doing the approaching in this case would be more embarrasing than being the one approached. But I don't have any experience with work in a hospital. Do coworkers actually approach one other with this stuff? And relying too much on this for compliance may encourage the attitude of "if I'm alone in the bathroom I don't really need to wash". >=A0They even have > monthly reports of which departments have done the best job washing up > after using the restroom (how they know, I can only guess. =A0Bathroom > Stasi, I guess) Maybe they measure the amount of soap used or something. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.