From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDQmvHiBBoE8aw8VQ@googlegroups.com Fri Aug 06 10:59:12 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OhRC3-0000Yw-KY; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:59:12 -0700 Received: by vws11 with SMTP id 11sf4261639vws.16 for ; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:58:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=iUx3R3GKShLly92Jvo3bTjbhLfptTLf6vyrNUnc2y6o=; b=cEaRndC2ZaNtWufVaVclFKyvefuCxIbJG5msVbPx/aQ4zqQNsUIW3aKW2KzyqkGOLo /RyGirnN93tNAzPb1WX3fxsV+vFsAt7PX+rrYBqY2Nb8cHPGfuREfgxIKGUqH3bSOf1j n3S4RqzQSQJysCU/R8uXUg4J45JrIO+KvHNcE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=WWNnk7bWORBSbENqcdDOAitYm8VjjtX2CXarboDGidUrPD+/+hW29QjIlmgIvxQTrL i2l3ozHc7taayVkbXMisoB0haUTe9PIKIltju4pGmLtnbMdPvZOB7QOmUEsWj0eiTy1X SRQ6v00wlvTBbEwVwMY4wRlTUs13qUHab441Y= Received: by 10.229.175.200 with SMTP id bb8mr899606qcb.10.1281117520725; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:58:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.207.1 with SMTP id fw1ls1571431qcb.1.p; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.183.69 with SMTP id cf5mr65655qcb.7.1281117519429; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.183.69 with SMTP id cf5mr65654qcb.7.1281117519377; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f44.google.com (mail-vw0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k17si934904qcs.12.2010.08.06.10.58.38; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.44; Received: by vws10 with SMTP id 10so5858000vws.3 for ; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:58:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.166.71 with SMTP id l7mr8617174vcy.9.1281117518011; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.126.220 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:58:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 13:58:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Illogical English Sign From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630ffef939e48048d2b6ab1 --00163630ffef939e48048d2b6ab1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is it? If "forgotten" is an action I've heard people use english like: "I can't believe what you did". Maybe my understanding of proper english just isn't strong enough. It does kind of seem like people mis-use "what" for "that" in some cases. Maybe this is one of those cases. Also, I don't know why I said "lindar" earlier when I meant gejyspa. On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > > Way to give the trick away xorxes. Now lindar's department will always > win > > because he'll spend hours a day dispensing soap down the drain. > > ta'onai > > I heard one of these ambiguous tidbits in a song the other day. From a > song > > by shiny toy guns there's a bit of lyrics that goes: > > "I can't forget what you've forgotten". Is the artist saying {mi na > kakne > > lo nu tolmo'i da poi do tolmo'i ke'a} or {mi na kakne lo nu tolmo'i lo > fatci > > be fa lo nu do tolmo'i}? > > > It HAS to be the first one, in English.. the second is "I can't > forget THAT you've forgotten." > --gejyspa > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00163630ffef939e48048d2b6ab1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it? =A0If "forgotten" is an action I've heard people use e= nglish like: "I can't believe what you did".

Maybe my understanding of proper english just isn't strong enough. = =A0It does kind of seem like people mis-use "what" for "that= " in some cases. =A0Maybe this is one of those cases.

Also, I don't know why I said "lindar" ea= rlier when I meant gejyspa.

On Fri, Aug 6= , 2010 at 1:55 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:= 41 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen= @gmail.com> wrote:
> Way to give the trick away xorxes. =A0Now lindar's department will= always win
> because he'll spend hours a day dispensing soap down the drain. > ta'onai
> I heard one of these ambiguous tidbits in a song the other day. =A0Fro= m a song
> by shiny toy guns there's a bit of lyrics that goes:
> "I can't forget what you've forgotten". =A0Is the ar= tist saying {mi na kakne
> lo nu tolmo'i da poi do tolmo'i ke'a} or {mi na kakne lo n= u tolmo'i lo fatci
> be fa lo nu do tolmo'i}?
>
=A0It HAS to be the first one, in English.. the second is "I ca= n't
forget THAT you've forgotten."
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

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