From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRD6nfHiBBoE7NdJJg@googlegroups.com Fri Aug 06 11:06:21 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OhRIw-0001fG-3B; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:06:20 -0700 Received: by wyb42 with SMTP id 42sf658720wyb.16 for ; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:05:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XPIYQsou8LsFIFRZH4ZzbBDUWGpKG5COeafUcml8D2w=; b=c1o4HynMxfS3CywMANnYwJo/09uJLtDKP23KN+v5kvZmbsGtqIXQ/0BkAK4U4qIEoq lT/qMS4jFFqxl6gLFWfrvtGEusfAngr/NFrTKvGP6DHAIDCCd9UFLgFgJRAihWgX9dUN Yks4j40LK5WTw4iVjFezwjLDl+jO3bShMgMM0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OMinL3mLAdTN0jRPT/El19rgoM3JIqP/cuSqLdO/aCExXstQiy3FTiZwvLDRCDbLCf PDKjK9640eHGV3crFJwY9NN5YAbYbCBq1yxDuzEaIG6Q4/IIzcfYzw6H/QqcT2OpwuWi dS8EVPCGnpQBfX/+3leaAZY06E/frRFM95oBM= Received: by 10.216.145.130 with SMTP id p2mr2730437wej.7.1281117946792; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:05:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.139.159 with SMTP id e31ls1216930wbu.0.p; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.157.73 with SMTP id a9mr543799wbx.12.1281117944713; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.157.73 with SMTP id a9mr543798wbx.12.1281117944695; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id x33si598396wbs.5.2010.08.06.11.05.43; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.181; Received: by mail-wy0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 28so2231399wyf.26 for ; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:05:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.156.202 with SMTP id y10mr10628289wbw.48.1281117943516; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:05:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:05:43 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Illogical English Sign From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Luke Bergen wrote= : >> >> "I can't forget what you've forgotten". =A0Is the artist saying {mi na k= akne >> lo nu tolmo'i da poi do tolmo'i ke'a} or {mi na kakne lo nu tolmo'i lo f= atci >> be fa lo nu do tolmo'i}? >> > =A0It HAS to be the first one, in English.. the second is "I can't > forget THAT you've forgotten." There are three cases: (1) mi na kakne lo nu tolmo'i lo se tolmo'i be do "I can't forget what you've forgotten." (2) mi na kakne lo nu tolmo'i lo du'u do tolmo'i makau "I can't forget what you've forgotten." (3) mi na kakne lo nu tolmo'i lo du'u do tolmo'i "I can't forget that you've forgotten." The English is ambiguous between (1) and (2), but Luke wrote (3) in Lojban instead of (2), which goes with "that", not with "what". mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.