From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRC2wfHiBBoE0_7u5A@googlegroups.com Fri Aug 06 12:22:00 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OhSU9-0006B6-Ew; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:21:59 -0700 Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18sf941wwi.16 for ; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:21:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bmN5CPvjEJApNORdJ/wSd1nbeCJWocBlwuxecUaxzVg=; b=c+hAvrxMTsJd8KcWOW+QwyqKTIVaSZrxXgOnL8+NVL0d7RJumz+XW88N3GydgycUFN DweZExLVo57dEji3fa1WN2Bm3VNH4SfwTBDHK6PeqLElzGMwbrbOin/vdS3Cx15hYLA8 Z9+x0Ih5u4bY0Zg/GyJojV1k1AOj1gaAonHB4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qLHRa1+ot+evsankuGJFLR/siuGYNwe88qCHFzN5PZz7btmjULVJZIljq81ZXxnM41 IqoWBv95QNmf7f5Za9/S5EM0I9gMOhNrlV2cHlCWvgD4b3ztXrMTp2PtTttDQhY5DzVu mYGy7cOGLlIh6+12F+fW1ylsczzWmT5NJBILk= Received: by 10.216.144.194 with SMTP id n44mr2790388wej.19.1281122486123; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:21:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.139.159 with SMTP id e31ls1236555wbu.0.p; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.21.230 with SMTP id k38mr546699wbb.9.1281122483962; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.21.230 with SMTP id k38mr546698wbb.9.1281122483914; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f174.google.com (mail-wy0-f174.google.com [74.125.82.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id x37si617618weq.8.2010.08.06.12.21.22; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.174; Received: by mail-wy0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 39so8546881wyb.5 for ; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:21:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.147.73 with SMTP id k9mr9910016wbv.190.1281122482794; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:21:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:21:22 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Illogical English Sign From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > ok, so forgetting the fatci bit, you're saying that these two following > bridi are different? > 1) =A0mi na kakne lo nu tolmo'i lo du'u do tolmo'i > 2) =A0mi na kakne lo nu tolmo'i lo du'u do tolmo'i makau Yes. > I read {lo du'u do tolmo'i} as {lo du'u do tolmo'i zo'e} and the way I > understand {zo'e} is that it can be anything (including makau). Of course there are situatons in which (1) and (2) could both be true. >=A0So I see 2 > as being a more specific version of 1. =A0Am I wrong here? So you agree they are different. Just as different as: I can't forget that you've forgotten. I can't forget what you've forgotten. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.