From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBC2zfHiBBoEnsSbOg@googlegroups.com Fri Aug 06 12:47:21 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OhSsv-0006lh-7S; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:47:21 -0700 Received: by qwj8 with SMTP id 8sf1765937qwj.16 for ; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:47:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=qu9L4cBpEBXgvwtlMYMM3LPmiYI1SOaX4EKuQCm+PGQ=; b=SErR9fHbrCG4JYHkZy5RoxRob7rRWlaIDV8/9ueuK1MMsKvMVs9TJZb5Hj7F88HZlZ irvrGiegz1gw8BjtwdJ3/J6NLasNuuyAyHRG/hM4BY/+NmtYNOV6FzimIpafi6axVPFY /arHHt7yLhADeQKsMcayZpR9fm2M+oGLO/xuA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=sWzlQAocggMq6p/v98s4RtLNFHgoHzgAvIFJkkRAbnZbhmqvTeTlJL/XjjtRSxsV+T TWzUPtT1f2DX8ii23cpTPQCoEAG+/Iy+NdvGzCf6LB+j6LBgkmDBTLiN5KmtfgvdlMyH 7f7vB/QqnUd8j9Zdh45h2z3isrTirV0BfUwIg= Received: by 10.224.75.73 with SMTP id x9mr516436qaj.5.1281124022385; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:47:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.97.224 with SMTP id m32ls670116qan.2.p; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.20.78 with SMTP id e14mr428381qab.26.1281124021523; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.20.78 with SMTP id e14mr428380qab.26.1281124020074; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f43.google.com (mail-vw0-f43.google.com [209.85.212.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y16si991596qce.8.2010.08.06.12.46.58; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.43; Received: by vws8 with SMTP id 8so9159930vws.2 for ; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:46:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.58.138 with SMTP id g10mr8576076vch.270.1281124018763; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.126.220 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:46:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:46:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Illogical English Sign From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0023544476030d37b6048d2cee52 --0023544476030d37b6048d2cee52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, I see what you're saying. The second one adds more information so that we know more specifically what it is that I can't forget. 2010/8/6 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Luke Bergen wrote= : > > ok, so forgetting the fatci bit, you're saying that these two following > > bridi are different? > > 1) mi na kakne lo nu tolmo'i lo du'u do tolmo'i > > 2) mi na kakne lo nu tolmo'i lo du'u do tolmo'i makau > > Yes. > > > I read {lo du'u do tolmo'i} as {lo du'u do tolmo'i zo'e} and the way I > > understand {zo'e} is that it can be anything (including makau). > > Of course there are situatons in which (1) and (2) could both be true. > > > So I see 2 > > as being a more specific version of 1. Am I wrong here? > > So you agree they are different. Just as different as: > > I can't forget that you've forgotten. > I can't forget what you've forgotten. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0023544476030d37b6048d2cee52 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, I see what you're saying. =A0The second one adds more information s= o that we know more specifically what it is that I can't forget.
2010/8/6 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= ;jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 4:= 09 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen= @gmail.com> wrote:
> ok, so forgetting the fatci bit, you're saying that these two foll= owing
> bridi are different?
> 1) =A0mi na kakne lo nu tolmo'i lo du'u do tolmo'i
> 2) =A0mi na kakne lo nu tolmo'i lo du'u do tolmo'i makau
Yes.

> I read {lo du'u do tolmo'i} as {lo du'u do tolmo'i zo&= #39;e} and the way I
> understand {zo'e} is that it can be anything (including makau).
Of course there are situatons in which (1) and (2) could both be true= .

>=A0So I see 2
> as being a more specific version of 1. =A0Am I wrong here?

So you agree they are different. Just as different as:

=A0I can't forget that you've forgotten.
=A0I can't forget what you've forgotten.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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