From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEJX-puQEGgSnNcRV@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 09 22:16:21 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OtvyD-000538-8u; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:16:20 -0700 Received: by pvc7 with SMTP id 7sf185379pvc.16 for ; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:16:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=dwmJ/KcrYpWGGwaYw49W/K2aVSgDfcvYiXlFRi7XQUY=; b=PCVFvIqhhvFUvoYwpfHuk6B9cVB/oBumE8+I0YAdgagn5XUTVT2IeBFMK2XO9HrWyc zHwMW4ZTl+wdTNOT9zFjgV656wK+w8KHH87N/4C7DWIF8d2TJ/JWOc1yk/E8daGUQK/s tgQslfozr7wRrxeRtaVX8uVNOagAUWrl3HsfI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=Ycxr+aw5PNZ7ko9qKhomsFBBIOGVDQnZVVpJtk5dI2KpXcqTMFG5wXk0iy7TUfV80N jB66ROUCD378P4AdNqyKk9wWF4DXBHqYLeEGIyKgpcS0SVOkJ5slDM7seaAocL4LGGO3 /5LO4/n+wsZicaPcfhdA0pYjuNbMP6ZN06QRw= Received: by 10.142.63.42 with SMTP id l42mr13354wfa.14.1284095765429; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:16:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.10.2 with SMTP id 2ls3429198wfj.0.p; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.173.7 with SMTP id v7mr85690wfe.41.1284095764682; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.173.7 with SMTP id v7mr85689wfe.41.1284095764659; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (chain.digitalkingdom.org [64.81.66.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l6si2611095wfa.7.2010.09.09.22.16.04; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 64.81.66.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.81.66.169; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Otvxz-00052u-E1 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:16:03 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:16:03 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Teaching methods, especially WRT terminators, and validation thereof Message-ID: <20100910051603.GU20652@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100910011141.GS20652@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 64.81.66.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 10:02:02PM -0700, Lindar wrote: > I have tried my best to express -how I feel- about this in the > following paragraphs. Sadly I have no facts, logic, or anything > solid to back this up. My only case is what I present here. So I > mean not to offend, attack, or say "No you're wrong."; simply to > state my case and how I personally feel about the issue. That was all the point I was trying to make: stop saying that one way or the other is the wrong way when you have no data, please. I'm very happy that you're teaching people, and I'm glad it's working out, I just want you to stop acting like you have data when you don't. > What it comes down to, in my opinion, is that you learned the > wrong way, and simply by merit of having learned the wrong way > -the best-, you now claim that you're right. This is faulty logic. And in my opinion, there is no evidence that the way we learned is the wrong way, particularily. Referring to it as such is a lot worse than the faulty logic you describe. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.