From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEN3_puQEGgSHUrEd@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 09 22:19:41 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Otw1R-00058Q-7j; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:19:41 -0700 Received: by pvc7 with SMTP id 7sf185634pvc.16 for ; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:19:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=vKqfwRl5N9crTlJKUcS4bDP4QImqR3fn50xC1HgN6TI=; b=da34uU/n9yTBT8I79ZQolTJAlsVyMNztY8g8poyX9q1E9fU+X7vEnyW764VjRW4atX +farIR/6gE04bA+hUM401P5Hv0OC/hqEjzaPyzQK2Z5m/D7slRcPEH+w+4luTLZk4Esn IbzPXNvm+SIaoaqdha4D2VdhHZUMyQWN1f9TA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=THopSTCJ4UCvT6URg54idgI6HR3Jtfg4VhZVOn3cAVh8NJKIRQuOEOcx7gnmc7nH7t uEy72qQ3wHvMTF7CKLcTHXsHFUB9OjhE9ebr2g1fpw1+G9ZaCUj9WyNTmu6xvnOPw3rq Vifvg6NRiITG41ZDdsBABLoLU/yuaH4J7+nKc= Received: by 10.142.121.41 with SMTP id t41mr14865wfc.7.1284095965527; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:19:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.98.19 with SMTP id a19ls8578451wam.1.p; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.130.10 with SMTP id c10mr51346wad.49.1284095964779; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.130.10 with SMTP id c10mr51344wad.49.1284095964316; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (chain.digitalkingdom.org [64.81.66.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d12si2643376wam.7.2010.09.09.22.19.24; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 64.81.66.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.81.66.169; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Otw1D-000584-9n for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:19:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:19:23 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Teaching methods, especially WRT terminators, and validation thereof Message-ID: <20100910051923.GV20652@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100910011141.GS20652@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 64.81.66.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 10:02:02PM -0700, Lindar wrote: > 3. Whether or not you or anyone else has directly viewed any kind > of statistic or result based on any new learning style, the > unfortunate truth is that I have spent at least 20 hours per month > (likely much more than that) teaching new people, and I have > directly observed that people that learn from CLL or L4B (and > subsequently use {cu} over everything else), don't understand why > we have terminators, don't grasp their use very easily, and have a > very hard time understanding when they are needed. The problem is that what you describe could easily be about having had an in-person teacher, more than anything else. We don't have any examples, that I'm aware of, of people who were taught by-hand with {cu} as a major part of the teaching. Well, except for everyone who got their first lesson in person at various logfests, but you say we all don't count, which is very frustrating by the way. The only way to actually make a valid comparison would be to teach interactively in both fashions. Not that it matters: if what you're doing is working, keep doing it. That doesn't mean everything else is wrong, though, and I'd ilke you to stop saying that. > I actually completely left out {cu} until he asked, and he even > commented that he didn't understand why it was necessary since at > most one needs two terminators before any selbri. That's a flat-out lie, so I hope you corrected him on this point. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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