From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDQhqrkBBoE-Tm23w@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 10 12:13:36 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ou92S-00030z-KV; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:13:36 -0700 Received: by pvc7 with SMTP id 7sf242814pvc.16 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:13:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=B9w97NX/reTxDuKGMQUBIhBnp2mzc9BSClPUMYnUPxM=; b=K7UNgAZ4fU0CEDMMxLWJN+cZaCYa9bPGIkWpwe+0OKb27cDJTmJlOQR1OjT253EWu0 PS2hmMyQcTqoH5vFKBxol1SjDZnwVZ9DGPH19k635sPdWMiPuzq9eS6dNpRmWUtlCxMj 73N96HEQqq+3kNdQnXpU1C/cDp8Y4hyFoOVKk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=YLTHq26e4JONBXqwaFQrg0nASYIaOIeqGzrcxQidKH7PfyxbdCq+uR+1C6gI9QEBoV qBaIJ5tcFWDQ3odC1U6wgo5IybHau8lTqMMdFzZY9SZkagTcpz4THzrMyzGtP7GBtzCv QW8en3XqDE2sDPMQTVLsiuZmeQJxQg3LpCfuA= Received: by 10.142.117.32 with SMTP id p32mr51794wfc.31.1284146000648; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:13:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.199.19 with SMTP id w19ls4024979wff.2.p; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.171.5 with SMTP id t5mr313938wfe.7.1284145999163; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.171.5 with SMTP id t5mr313937wfe.7.1284145999131; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l6si3497883wfa.7.2010.09.10.12.13.18; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=pXRD9GJNYVHwFji36VcHW8kseYF0SjmSkNGBjQY2oFw= c=1 sm=0 a=bPcX9KZuFK0A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=WTKpQqVCqagU8I0rMe4A:9 a=8tFVIK__FtK5-MJxKy5KcvKnJ9cA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:48574] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id BE/8D-25192-D438A8C4; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:13:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86469ACC for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:13:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Teaching methods, especially WRT terminators, and validation thereof Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:13:04 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201009101513.06128.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I know a natural language, namely Tok Pisin, which has a predicate marker,= =20 namely "i". Tok Pisin and the other Bislamic languages (which also have "i"= ,=20 though in Solomon Islands Pijin it's often found attached to "hem") are abo= ut=20 two hundred years old and formed by creolization, which is kids adding=20 grammar to a pidgin that didn't have a complete grammar. So it appears to m= e=20 that a predicate marker is a kind of word that humans are predisposed to. I don't know of any natural language that has a terminator for the article.= =20 Terminators are a part of speech peculiar to the Loglanic languages and are= =20 there to make the language syntactically unambiguous while being fully=20 expressive. So I think it's important to teach both "ku" and "cu" early and that there = are=20 constructions where they may be used but don't have to and others where the= y=20 have to be there. Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.