From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxCc0qvkBBoE9N9-qw@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 10 19:27:55 2010 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OuFol-0000Di-QF; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:27:55 -0700 Received: by pxi13 with SMTP id 13sf268031pxi.16 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:27:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=NaIWR07dbWO0tcXw6V2utZqXjD3VOa95wT05tDyqiww=; b=nybaJB+Zqs2z4IxLx83OIyUExpDX++HoJcGhB7SSpGLc+nL2nCsb4AEJDe4SP1/rRD t1KGJaNLVMui+hNiAEPVZKytBdzrJx69O53Kubzo1EyBMS+CwNLMSzxQICqmo5MMJsH0 hInDR7ZTVs+TBdK1rPBoL5TbojPWY/vRDV0iI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=U6i/yJ1Tfc+66/0n5sDJk6bOTfaS0rxv26IRSKTnf/J0zdlza7COB7cXtlshKuw9CN wSthJnqJj+DaMNaU0R/6r57yT1wsNMFt6hMj+1tsqgnJouhbKGEN+40HTb/w87ZQbRFt +xFFSW7gsDaENWH02oiqTZ2jiSWZEyJ7G8sS4= Received: by 10.115.38.30 with SMTP id q30mr97079waj.22.1284172060321; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:27:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.67.12 with SMTP id u12ls9405098wak.3.p; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.109.15 with SMTP id h15mr352787wac.3.1284172059459; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.109.15 with SMTP id h15mr352786wac.3.1284172059438; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d12si3963344wam.7.2010.09.10.19.27.39; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=7XxDHnCWlq4Y+sW9Of4N9ZsPasVIcE/A4MgzccTTZFI= c=1 sm=0 a=f3wYcKxqQrgA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=Q1GI6KxFqLG6QjORuxcA:9 a=bkS9s-ClA75cM5pKA5MA:7 a=nQ7NOyCiS2NRY11XGns53snzudAA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:43951] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 12/71-09356-A19EA8C4; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 02:27:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0659BEC33 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:27:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids Show - lessons Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:27:27 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201009101837.25311.phma@phma.optus.nu> <129e20ed-d5c6-400d-bdae-454933d82a67@m17g2000prl.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <129e20ed-d5c6-400d-bdae-454933d82a67@m17g2000prl.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201009102227.32368.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 10 September 2010 20:08:43 Lindar wrote: > I'm so glad you brought this up, because I was avoiding it like so > many mentally unstable residents of Hollywood streets. > > Let's look at the script and the first section-ish where there's > supposed to be some learning injected. > > I'd like to first cover selbri-sumti. > > "Well, you remember, right?" > "Uhh... yeah, but maybe Chocolate doesn't... Could you explain it one > more time?" > "Yeah, it's like a fill-in-the-blank puzzle, right? So the word > {dunda} means that blank -gives- blank -to- blank. It has all that > built in to one word!" > "Oh right! So {.i mi dunda} is like 'I give.'?" > "Yeah, and if you want to say more, just keep filling in the blanks." > etc etc. The first lesson is a vocabulary lesson ("Let's see what you can name in Lojban"). What would be good words to use in this lesson? The dialog will be all in Lojban, right? I find it hard to believe that Alpha would know Lojban well enough to converse and not know what "dunda" means. Mixing up the places of "fanva", though, I can see. What about categories of words with similar place structure? Or maybe Beta says something, Alpha says "ki'a", and a lesson ensues? How about etymology? Maybe Alpha wonders where "nanla" and "nixli" come from. Or Beta might know the interesting tidbit that the beginnings of "bilma" and "bisli" come from Chinese words which differ only in tone (I heard about Chinese impressions of the Bing search engine). Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.