From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCm7q_kBBoEIrdWBQ@googlegroups.com Sat Sep 11 14:40:18 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OuXnm-00032j-0y; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 14:40:18 -0700 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf796268wyb.16 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 14:39:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ytWfWIBWkHstv6kTUpYnQJ6ULZAnB4bM6w6HN+8iMxY=; b=rbqofGBIn0jEUjL4VqI+g3xQ/IdJj/CT8XfhCEOAjuL/BVKvpQQS0/v6hUP9/bSg+W HlvfvG4IWpgG71Ibse+ykGeuHUyjrPwlY9+ZjIoa1GIw8snXEUm5D1wVJdDSfYaK6/lt dwpx5goGx4FY52CbSIP4m2SQbnQmfw6kZNbIk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=VOvaQjcSYyy6ueNiIteu4VuuIte41JvArCmYKfsaine3zKnW75sSkHRyrrHifIh05I QwoDyX41OWqoeujNR8hH/mWJNu1VrrN0a9dOnLijNStOjw9tOguZ8D1gq8kjEoKSHi/P qFxsbkXHC7uSxFq2LEGsdlkY+v2xghxe7XJP4= Received: by 10.216.145.9 with SMTP id o9mr315885wej.15.1284241190178; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 14:39:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.92.203 with SMTP id s11ls3286857wbm.1.p; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 14:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.137.80 with SMTP id v16mr134164wbt.20.1284241189058; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 14:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.137.80 with SMTP id v16mr134163wbt.20.1284241189006; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 14:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f43.google.com (mail-ww0-f43.google.com [74.125.82.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id o41si1443782weq.12.2010.09.11.14.39.47; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 14:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.43; Received: by wwi14 with SMTP id 14so4814198wwi.12 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 14:39:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.1.17 with SMTP id 17mr853629wec.99.1284241184717; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 14:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.22.199 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 14:39:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100910011141.GS20652@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 15:39:44 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Teaching methods, especially WRT terminators, and validation thereof From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364d281f9efb25049002b3f4 --0016364d281f9efb25049002b3f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Jameson Orndorff wrote: > On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Stela Selckiku > wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jameson Orndorff > wrote: > >> What if you are laying out a thoroughly complicated x2 and then > >> realise you want to add an x3 that will require a lot of termination? > > > > What I say is: ".i go'i fi" > > > > mi'e la stela selckiku > > mu'o > > Sure, obviously this is an option. Contextually it may work in some > cases. But I'm wary of it, and it's a bit of a cop-out. You're dodging > the point. There are always cases where you might say .i mi dunda lo > rupnu .i go'i fi do (obviously something more complicated) but here - > are you saying "I give money. It's to you." or "I give money (to > something unspecified). I give money to you." This point also holds if > you don't need to go all the way down to the base level, but maybe one > higher. .i mi broda lo nu do brode lo du'u lo brodi be lo brodu cu > co'e <- and now you want to fill brode3. > That problem still exists when prefering {ku} to {cu}. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Jameson Orndorf= f <jtorndorff@= gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jameson Orndorff <jtorndorff@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What if you are laying out a thoroughly complicated x2 and then >> realise you want to add an x3 that will require a lot of terminati= on?
>
> What I say is: ".i go'i fi"
>
> mi'e la stela selckiku
> mu'o

Sure, obviously this is an option. Contextually it may work in some cases. But I'm wary of it, and it's a bit of a cop-out. You're = dodging
the point. There are always cases where you might say .i mi dunda lo
rupnu .i go'i fi do (obviously something more complicated) but here - are you saying "I give money. It's to you." or "I give m= oney (to
something unspecified). I give money to you." This point also holds if=
you don't need to go all the way down to the base level, but maybe one<= br> higher. .i mi broda lo nu do brode lo du'u lo brodi be lo brodu cu
co'e <- and now you want to fill brode3.

Th= at problem still exists when prefering {ku} to {cu}.

--=
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende= pe denpa bu

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