From lojban+bncCIGHwM2rDhDVxLHkBBoEo8mM6Q@googlegroups.com Sat Sep 11 22:17:25 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OuewL-0007dU-0Y; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:17:24 -0700 Received: by qwi4 with SMTP id 4sf3983228qwi.16 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:17:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from :to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=L6iQtC4/hoh3PTMLyGjThzYGtVpNzRiysx14hY3ZNgM=; b=rt/XHn2dU7I6Z+2b6W7V15bEBc0RoI3XrEidtKI62RRCEoHnFWq6xNubOYa8HTUwzU B1s4232yuNqdI3GzfygczLeFj5+ABhigZwsFb47Q8N44Sm+mCqWFFSEGntklMs4F9d8e 4pWRVrrikrReBt3FMkUygvlh59SJJGR2hbgJ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=lGBMz5JY04cHtIzoqmGDfBE7o0osX49iXm2gtl0Tams6H6eXMiYoXZSXXB5hLVwmAT alp2GgC69DHU3wVmwTgNJt3r10kI9CZU6SmwPF+FsSEM9R446ieVMR2oYo/CoVoQA9oA LZx4I1pkB8r8ZGkKBgGh7+W8mzLDiKLGKYQ+s= Received: by 10.224.75.73 with SMTP id x9mr273521qaj.30.1284268629155; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:17:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.97.224 with SMTP id m32ls1807411qan.2.p; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.39.75 with SMTP id f11mr170251qae.4.1284268628218; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.7.4 with SMTP id k4mr614711wfi.24.1284254543127; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 18:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.7.4 with SMTP id k4mr614710wfi.24.1284254543098; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 18:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pw0-f48.google.com (mail-pw0-f48.google.com [209.85.160.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k8si5317031wfa.6.2010.09.11.18.22.23; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 18:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.160.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=209.85.160.48; Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so1218007pwj.21 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 18:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.24.15 with SMTP id 15mr3269818wax.122.1284254542797; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 18:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (c-68-35-167-179.hsd1.nm.comcast.net [68.35.167.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c24sm8264033wam.7.2010.09.11.18.22.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 11 Sep 2010 18:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 19:22:19 -0600 From: Alan Post To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Technical, Help Request: What information *should* a Lojban dictionary system have? Message-ID: <20100912012219.GA91157@alice.local> References: <20100911215035.GG13937@digitalkingdom.org> <8B06025C-7DF2-4C4D-8336-07AAF1CC5C65@switchb.org> <20100912004044.GK13937@digitalkingdom.org> <640A6FE3-8AD3-44E9-B41E-779C7E03989D@switchb.org> <20100912010225.GM13937@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20100912010225.GM13937@digitalkingdom.org> X-Original-Sender: alanpost@sunflowerriver.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.160.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 06:02:25PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > I want to be able to generate *at least* a formal dictionary, > flashcards, simple definitions, and glossing, from one datasource, > easily, with the data source being as simple as possible. > > Every time we've gone to do something new with this data, we've had > to do a giant amount of work to convert the data, and then an even > more giant amount of work to hand-fix all the errors thus > introduced. It's crappy, and I want it to stop. > > My talk about making the definitions more Lojbanic was entirely a > side comment. > I've just purchased a handheld computer called a Ben NanoNote.[1] I intend to use this machine primarily to study Lojban, and to that purpose I've ported makfa[2] and intend to port jbofihe and mnemo[3]. I think these three programs are sufficient to create a portable study environment, giving me opportunities to study and play with Lojban at times I don't carry my laptop. I've realized working on these programs that each one of them uses a different copy of the dictionary. That strikes me, architecturally, as a problem. I'd really like these programs to be drawing from the same data source: the dictionary does change, and even if we imagine the community dictionary never changing, *I'm* not currently happy with it and want to make changes to my local copy. I have longer term plans to add to the corpus of Lojban-using programs, and very much support defining a data format that supports the use cases we put it to. -Alan 1: http://sharism.cc/ 2: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-packages/source/tree/master/makfa 3: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/User:Alanpost/Backlog -- ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.