From lojban+bncCK7Yk5CUCxDL37PkBBoEK0Rf1A@googlegroups.com Sun Sep 12 08:21:15 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OuoMR-0005Cl-JJ; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 08:21:14 -0700 Received: by vws6 with SMTP id 6sf2285284vws.16 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 08:20:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=q6XBUv9o+7HVxEHpvi4OfLQgSSZBaxmSp5pGjC1ppKY=; b=A6q4C60wtlnsNgm2RrYO72ljrpqLsS/P2mdpR36TWf03NPzQPRLx1FWTacyn3zMPJQ 6U9p8HGj3zJNIk4H6EXI+L7ziELK+HXUnvq+ka+R3Xe7Xlz+z1lhjtqbInT2+hC97znZ FWJX4Xs4QEqtiD9oi/6awjl7E1w6YGKorSGF8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=472oNQj2UWsVruXrPFTLxNZpNt2dLcWGnTjRnQ/0eNyCo3KEIY6hjRRM77kJZv1bFT +kVABWd/VE8if+6pEr2DQe6fdhnCsYekq4cXkbuomldkhUdRHDGHi7Ktyum+GsI3tAGc uc5N9+MF2SiiQhfzB+ZugoEnR/AGd7Vl2hh/Y= Received: by 10.220.63.79 with SMTP id a15mr112118vci.48.1284304843398; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 08:20:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.85.1 with SMTP id m1ls2274446vcl.3.p; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 08:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.198.130 with SMTP id eo2mr848179vcb.16.1284304842415; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 08:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.198.130 with SMTP id eo2mr848178vcb.16.1284304842380; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 08:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j20si589364vcn.2.2010.09.12.08.20.41; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 08:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.175; Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31so1075248qyk.13 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 08:20:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.10.70 with SMTP id o6mr1222233qao.72.1284304841088; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 08:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.1.69 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 08:20:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100911215035.GG13937@digitalkingdom.org> <8B06025C-7DF2-4C4D-8336-07AAF1CC5C65@switchb.org> <20100912004044.GK13937@digitalkingdom.org> <640A6FE3-8AD3-44E9-B41E-779C7E03989D@switchb.org> <20100912010225.GM13937@digitalkingdom.org> <20100912012219.GA91157@alice.local> <91b0797f-74e7-43fe-9b83-2053dd48ea03@i4g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <5a814177-e61b-42c3-80be-0f86110ccab2@z34g2000pro.googlegroups.com> <1284280201.2152.7.camel@ganesh> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:20:40 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Technical, Help Request: What information *should* a Lojban dictionary system have? From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I would suggest to not put too much work on specifing the se- te- etc words. I fear that having a fixed sense for, say, "terdunda" would be misleading for newbies and useless for those more knoledgeable. The right way to translate the "places" of a brivla highly depend on the context. I'm convinced that we should insist on making people understanding the place structure and use their creativity to find the right way to translate it in their language rather than suggest them that there is a *right* translation for that place. I tried to do this for Italian when I started learning language and pretty soon decided that it would have been a waste of my (and other Italians) time try to find all possibile meaning for gismu places. just my 2c Remo On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Oren wrote: > In response to the questions about keeping all sumti linked to their > brethren in each gismu definition, and in partial response to the question > of how to encourage creative interpretation of definitions, why not try > something like one of these: > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/cpacuvisualization > co'o mi'e korbi > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 06:14, purpleposeidon > wrote: >> >> Making the authoritative definition of gismu using the "x1: widget" >> model doesn't seem very awesome to me. And is providing additional >> information with them going to allow us to generate something we don't >> already have? >> >> We should dump all the Smarf.fm data gently into jbovlaste. And since >> we're adding one new type of definition, we should also add others, >> such as the (hrefs of) the pixra on .uikipedias. >> >> >> mu'omi'e.sipnabebnadjeims. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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