From lojban+bncCNf8pM-bDBCh54DkBBoEH8qXig@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 02 16:31:12 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OrJFA-0003AK-Fe; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:31:12 -0700 Received: by yxs7 with SMTP id 7sf1480405yxs.16 for ; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:30:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received :sender:received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=zW+066ToUJELY9ycITGfAsP2pH0bPi9b6frDQWuKL2Y=; b=3X+0w4DOkATpg6WP1hejBJT0FdpHJ5o84eDrKub5ykPSFele1AVfhhNSjM5ZXTtD59 BA97vPZmLSwvoA3fMu+Y2JM2zt4oUQ5XIVua2qYLFxIt5UKwsGdTssV5kJOe3ay+yFnu N/DCIoh/l0vVa4yPzOcx72qm0ZQOTLfGE+4cQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=nYXhF3Sfygd81O9P6qNxkHM4NtYgjB8McHcynx4uxNTuhbmjtYDWV2cm5I7v2E5Qnb wJu3zh1v6c4DdFjthlCHTVsvPqDXs6yxNPKTR1Is3llyV/RdNKy25U/petzmo6IRjk6y a/3zxq6fnlc4rzgj8CGVzbzsDd0/EZeAqCTgU= Received: by 10.91.35.13 with SMTP id n13mr49708agj.55.1283470241318; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:30:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.27.13 with SMTP id a13ls428090yba.6.p; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.53.17 with SMTP id b17mr88367yba.1.1283470240825; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.189.74 with SMTP id dd10mr801340vcb.2.1283464184696; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.189.74 with SMTP id dd10mr801333vcb.2.1283464184282; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f46.google.com (mail-qw0-f46.google.com [209.85.216.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g5si105871vch.12.2010.09.02.14.49.43; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.46; Received: by qwh6 with SMTP id 6so1003049qwh.19 for ; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:49:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.11.146 with SMTP id t18mr12065qat.135.1283464182848; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.28.141 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:49:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:49:42 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Proposal for Katakana Lojban orthography. From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd11cb35f1a048f4dcad8 --0015175cd11cb35f1a048f4dcad8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2 September 2010 20:00, Jonathan Jones wrote: > =EF=BD=BC is pronounced {cy.}, and followed by a vowel or 'y' kana, as in= cusku: =E3=82=B7=E3=82=A6=E3=82=B9=E3=82=AF=E3=82=A6 > or =E3=82=B7=E3=83=A5=E3=82=B9=E3=82=AF=E3=82=A6. > The latter one should be =E3=82=B7=E3=83=A5=E3=82=B9=E3=82=AF (without =E3= =82=A6 at the end). To write {si}, use =E3=82=B9=E3=82=A4. > To write {zi}, use =E3=82=BA=E3=82=A4. > =E3=82=B9=E3=82=A4 is more like {sui}. I suggest =E3=82=B9=E3=82=A3. Likewi= se, =E3=82=BA=E3=82=A3 for {zi}. =E3=82=B8 is pronounced {jy.} and follows the same rules as =E3=82=B7, as = in djica: =E3=83=85=E3=82=B8=E3=82=A4=E3=82=B7=E3=83=A3. > or =E3=83=82=E3=82=B7=E3=83=A3. {tci} can unambiguously be =E3=83=81, and {= dji} =E3=83=82. =E3=83=B2is pronounced {.y.} > To write {y'u}, use =E3=83=8F=E3=82=A6. > =E3=83=8F=E3=82=A6 is most probably {xau} or {'au}. {'u} is tricky. It would have to be distinguishable from {fu} and {xu}, and both Katakana and Hiragana have none for {'u} and {xu}. =E3=83=95 is actual= ly {fu}, but you have assigned it to {fy}. =E3=83=AF is pronounced {vy.}, and followed by a vowel, as in vu: =E3=83= =AF=E3=82=A6. > =E3=83=AF is actually {ua}. =E3=83=AF=E3=82=A6 is {uau}. The foreign {v} sound in Japanese is typically transliterated as =E3=83=B4,= as in =E3=83=A9=E3=83=B4 for "love". The 'k' kana with =C2=BA is pronounced {xy.} as in xrula: =E3=82=AF=C2=BA= =E3=83=AB=E3=82=A6=E3=83=A9=E2=80=B3=E3=82=A2. That's an interesting idea. =E3=82=9C for a non-labial is never used in for= mal Japanese. It looks funny to the natives, so it sometimes gets used in manga for comical expressions. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0015175cd11cb35f1a048f4dcad8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 2 September 2010 20:00, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:

=EF=BD=BC <= /span>is pronounced {cy.}, and followed by a vowel or 'y' kana, as in cusku: =E3= =82=B7=E3=82=A6=E3=82=B9=E3=82=AF=E3=82=A6 or =E3=82=B7=E3=83=A5=E3=82=B9=E3=82=AF=E3=82=A6= .


The la= tter one should be =E3=82=B7=E3=83=A5=E3=82=B9=E3=82=AF (without =E3=82=A6 = at the end).

To write {si}, use =E3=82=B9=E3=82=A4.

To write {zi}, use =E3=82=BA=E3=82=A4.



=E3=82=B9=E3=82=A4 is more like {sui}. I suggest =E3=82=B9=E3=82=A3. Li= kewise, =E3=82=BA=E3=82=A3 for {zi}.


=E3=82=B8 <= /span>is pronounced {jy.} and follows the same rules as =E3=82=B7, as in djica: =E3=83=85=E3=82=B8=E3=82=A4=E3=82=B7=E3=83=A3.


or =E3=83=82=E3=82=B7=E3= =83=A3. {tci} can unambiguously be =E3=83=81, and {dji} =E3=83=82.

<= /div>

=E3=83=B2is pronounced {.y.}

To write {y'u}, use =E3=83=8F=E3=82=A6.<= /p>


=E3=83=8F=E3=82=A6 is most probably {xau} or {'= ;au}.

{'u} is tricky. It would have to be distinguishable from {= fu} and {xu}, and both Katakana and Hiragana have none for {'u} and {xu= }. =E3=83=95 is actually {fu}, but you have assigned it to {fy}.
=C2=A0

=E3=83=AF <= /span>is pronounced {vy.}, and followed by a vowel, as in vu: =E3=83=AF=E3=82=A6<= /font>.


=E3=83=AF is actua= lly {ua}. =E3=83=AF=E3=82=A6 is {uau}.

The foreign {v} sound in Japanese is typically transliterated as =E3=83=B4,= as in =E3=83=A9=E3=83=B4 for "love".


The 'k' kana with =C2=BA is pronounced {xy.} as in= xrula: =E3=82=AF=C2=BA=E3=83=AB=E3=82=A6=E3=83=A9=E2=80=B3=E3=82=A2.


That's an interes= ting idea. =E3=82=9C for a non-labial is never used in formal Japanese. It = looks funny to the natives, so it sometimes gets used in manga for comical = expressions.



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