From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCj1rrkBBoEFkO5tA@googlegroups.com Mon Sep 13 15:52:36 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OvHt1-0002UQ-Mj; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:52:35 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf1161969wwe.16 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:52:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5X5q5GQ0dxTunRPdI82pa+m9ACmsGIt0WdGnmd7w3vc=; b=gjsQDjs3I/+XdP43fLoadN2UT5d8kgaLy/20x+X1/lwRDP3/fWp9E0/jtdOtlNcuNh 9kzjQx0oqhvF7I2TxAZooCxhwB/obj2sZFxHZbJQY5Xn/bfSELTRvJNB9N4h5m1ddCU1 Rz9C2zvotAG3W7SHTaP7OQcQGcAzpexiUCvTc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=IluM5A9BrHoMh894TGglZYT2jimflfep5H8DxrJ4oli6pwY2eiU1CbLFRT7jWaMIy+ F4m5NJ2FrWm+YquhRLjBEdszZqbPs4opcETWTfxQBHTd3lBzLHSEYOQ8yGG5Nethtxv2 BzHDsf1NIX/FoUwZEjWDGTjsalr4+Xv25H4+4= Received: by 10.216.145.90 with SMTP id o68mr707240wej.23.1284418339176; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:52:19 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.39.10 with SMTP id d10ls3854505wbe.2.p; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.146.138 with SMTP id h10mr247403wbv.4.1284418338022; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.146.138 with SMTP id h10mr247402wbv.4.1284418337927; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f41.google.com (mail-ww0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a37si2519916wba.7.2010.09.13.15.52.16; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.41; Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15so44058wwe.0 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:52:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.151.195 with SMTP id d3mr653037wbw.170.1284418320751; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.22.199 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:52:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5f86644c-3420-42ad-81c8-fb0b6ad079b3@s24g2000pri.googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:52:00 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: le virnu smani blozeile'a From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163649a39bc05ccb04902bf1e5 --00163649a39bc05ccb04902bf1e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:03 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: > I thought that comma was mandatory only before a wovel, even for > names. I've added them all now. Also moved to "zo". I made the same > mistake with the other translation. I hope I've learned it by now. > > Dotside is an (optional) convention that proponents such as myself would prefer jbopre to use. The difference is: In standard CLL, {la}, {lai}, and {doi} cannot appear inside a name, and {.} is not required in front of a name following those three unless it starts with a vowel. For example: coi.xorxes. la xorxes coi.arnald. la.arnald coi.fransis.ueilynd.turston. la fransis.ueilynd.turston. In Dotside, {la}, {lai}, and {doi} are allowed in a name, and a beginning {.} is always required: coi.xorxes. la.xorxes. coi.arnald. la.arnald coi.fransis.ueiland.turston. la.fransis.ueiland.turston. Proponents of the Dotside are so because people are horrible about NOT putting {la}, {lai}, or {doi} (especially {la}) in names, and the trade off of not having to put a {.} in front of a name if it follows one of three words- while still needing to be there in ALL other cases, isn't worth it. It just causes problems. "Always put a {.} before and after cmevla" is easier to follow than "Always put a {.} after cmevla, and before them unless they are preceded by {la}, {lai}, or {doi}, and don't put {la}, {lai}, or {doi} in any names.' -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:03 AM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.co= m> wrote:
I thought that comma was mandatory only before a wovel, even for
names. I've added them all now. =A0Also moved to "zo". I made= the same
mistake with the other translation. I hope I've learned it by now.

Dotside is an (optional) conv= ention that proponents such as myself would prefer jbopre to use. The diffe= rence is:

In standard CLL, {la}, {lai}, and {doi} cannot appear insi= de a name, and {.} is not required in front of a name following those three= unless it starts with a vowel. For example:

coi.xorxes.
la xorxes
coi.arnald.
la.arnald
coi.fransis.uei= lynd.turston.
la fransis.ueilynd.turston.

In Dotside, {la}, {lai}= , and {doi} are allowed in a name, and a beginning {.} is always required:<= br>
coi.xorxes.
la.xorxes.
coi.arnald.
la.arnald
coi.fransis.ue= iland.turston.
la.fransis.ueiland.turston.

Proponents= of the Dotside are so because people are horrible about NOT putting {la}, = {lai}, or {doi} (especially {la}) in names, and the trade off of not having= to put a {.} in front of a name if it follows one of three words- while st= ill needing to be there in ALL other cases, isn't worth it. It just cau= ses problems. "Always put a {.} before and after cmevla" is easie= r to follow than "Always put a {.} after cmevla, and before them unles= s they are preceded by {la}, {lai}, or {doi}, and don't put {la}, {lai}= , or {doi} in any names.'
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