From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDUrr_kBBoE-aeh9A@googlegroups.com Tue Sep 14 13:13:21 2010 Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OvbsS-0005Zs-7d; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:13:21 -0700 Received: by bwz4 with SMTP id 4sf124457bwz.16 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:13:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=S/MY4WG5kkGrHmc9W9BcCIcS7jLOd+OdkYr6SK7w4AU=; b=q8gGPasDKY7AF5VcQ6V1JLtHmv/+fRXRoD+F6F43ID9b47cfPck7E50KB9EK0NSn6/ QnMTtN58vDVUBEExuGrEc9wQavPK5xlhxOlRgZa6o9Dxj5zE/6nwJl1Lx36u21F8HjRW rU0ysyatzD79qhdyc49fX/cLdVvemh7YKDup4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=z5qHMwupofRSLq3XPnKwyjXr2yH8qbg7AUTp6d/N2OQwrT2uESwZE1bJd0W1nb1QUt dz5EHkgSV3HgQs/EO4k7xWhYRCTtxR+hz3eY+CHk+BNHVRDUJWBd/FUeXR4YPbnMrlvj DatZcAxssva203W2vfyv34DPXspNMvzbo5mJc= Received: by 10.223.4.197 with SMTP id 5mr10308fas.44.1284495188539; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:13:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.36.74 with SMTP id s10ls144597bkd.1.p; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.127.65 with SMTP id f1mr27322bks.5.1284495187507; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.127.65 with SMTP id f1mr27321bks.5.1284495187432; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f51.google.com (mail-bw0-f51.google.com [209.85.214.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n18si317389bkw.6.2010.09.14.13.13.06; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.51; Received: by bwz4 with SMTP id 4so6440026bwz.38 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:13:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.63.211 with SMTP id c19mr315739bki.133.1284495186230; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.98.71 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:13:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:13:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "ge ... gi ..." question From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e1ecff4a7ed504903dd7fb --001636e1ecff4a7ed504903dd7fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable to be honest, at the time I wasn't sure what you meant by that following sentence. (I'm still not sure what you meant). Why would this sentence require nu'i? How else could {broda ge lo brode lo brodi gi lo brodi lo brode} be parsed? 2010/9/14 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > > A little while back I saw xorxes say: > > {lo prije lo bebna cu simsa lo ka ro roi tolcri ge lo se junri lo se > xalbo > > gi lo se xalbo lo se junri}. > > I thought this usage of ge gi to get reciprocity was really cool but fo= r > > some reason it seems like jboski doesn't like it. xorxes, is this a bu= g > in > > your (beautiful) bridi or in jboski? > > Didn't you read the following sentence? It was something like "to .ei > zo nu'i mrobi'o toi" > > jboski will probably be happy with: "lo prije lo bebna cu simsa lo ka > ro roi tolcri nu'i ge lo se junri lo se xalbo gi lo se xalbo lo se > junri". > > > Followup question which assumes that this is fine and jboski is confuse= d. > > How would I express the next sumti after the ge... gi... for example, > if I > > want to say {broda ge lo brode lo brodi gi lo brodi lo brode > terminator> [fo] brodi} where {brodi} fills the fourth place, how do I > stop > > it from getting sucked up into the {gi}. > > There's no terminator. You just have to have the same number of terms > for each conjunct. The next term will not be a part of the conjunct. > (Or, the terminator is "nu'u" if you used "nu'i".) > > > Also, if I want the reciprocal sumti to be x1 and x2 would I say {broda > fa > > ge lo brode lo brodi gi lo brodi lo brode} or {broda ge fa lo brode lo > brodi > > gi fa lo brodi lo brode}? Or are either acceptable? > > Only the latter. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --001636e1ecff4a7ed504903dd7fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable to be honest, at the time I wasn't sure what you meant by that followin= g sentence. =A0(I'm still not sure what you meant).

= Why would this sentence require nu'i? =A0How else could {broda ge lo br= ode lo brodi gi lo brodi lo brode} be parsed?

2010/9/14 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> A little while back I saw xorxes say:
> {lo prije lo bebna cu simsa lo ka ro roi tolcri ge lo se junri lo se x= albo
> gi lo se xalbo lo se junri}.
> I thought this usage of ge gi to get reciprocity was really cool but f= or
> some reason it seems like jboski doesn't like it. =A0xorxes, is th= is a bug in
> your (beautiful) bridi or in jboski?

Didn't you read the following sentence? It was something like &qu= ot;to .ei
zo nu'i mrobi'o toi"

jboski will probably be happy with: "lo prije lo bebna cu simsa lo ka<= br> ro roi tolcri nu'i ge lo se junri lo se xalbo gi lo se xalbo lo se
junri".

> Followup question which assumes that this is fine and jboski is confus= ed.
> =A0How would I express the next sumti after the ge... gi... =A0for exa= mple, if I
> want to say {broda ge lo brode lo brodi gi lo brodi lo brode <what<= br> > terminator> [fo] brodi} where {brodi} fills the fourth place, how d= o I stop
> it from getting sucked up into the {gi}.

There's no terminator. You just have to have the same number of t= erms
for each conjunct. The next term will not be a part of the conjunct.
(Or, the terminator is "nu'u" if you used "nu'i"= ;.)

> Also, if I want the=A0reciprocal=A0sumti to be x1 and x2 would I say {= broda fa
> ge lo brode lo brodi gi lo brodi lo brode} or {broda ge fa lo brode lo= brodi
> gi fa lo brodi lo brode}? =A0Or are either acceptable?

Only the latter.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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