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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 06:34:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: other-centric UI
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Briefly, the notion of other-centric UI is absurd.  UI are used to express 
emotions, to grant certification, to make promises and so on.  Thus they can 
only be used by  the persons performing these acts.  The most another person can 
do is either report that utterance of the word in question or (more daringly) 
claim that the first person has the emotion or whatever or has performed the act 
in question.  Both of these are straightforward factual claims and, to the 
extent that Lojban is based on logic, need to be expressed in normal assertive 
ways: free standing sentences or non-restrictive relative clauses in such 
sentences.  'da'oi ui lindbar' fails this test unless it is an approved 
abbreviations for "Lindbar said "ui" about this subject"  or "Lindbar is happy 
about this subject."  At the moment, this does not seem to be the case, and, 
even if it is, it is very badly chose, since it does not *look* to be an 
assertion.


      

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