From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCs38jkBBoEtklX5Q@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 16 07:54:56 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwFrM-0006RA-LD; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 07:54:56 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf380400wwe.16 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 07:54:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=h5uHZ5yfG+6CWmCgfngcuJcN90QWgo+ps0yEjMDcvG8=; b=Px+LpeDWjTFW88g+ZV0qoa9Acx7Bldk8S9PV/vT8Cd5bNTx7HeTVOXejVIb3WcceUQ Ud6y9xaZ46kOh6fG8kWD91B/RhfOEyoxvdDtW5PLWS/or+JiHewSGD5VgYA5XGtb8728 TcqkVJqUMDp+hMoLzKTBQ9lV+PZ1xB1FvvEEM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=sygeSC8VptA+Gd9XbPIqGQ6lxj6EySXpu4vHDPrqt2IueIcerKh6jPL/3p1L9W6GjW XKqYA6+I9F4Sm7IwJPKUOSCud6Ivv3pmImwxnLBVAz0opImjOBahN99EgBxuC8faGVWg EXSz6S6piyKN5RSuXyghXwKH0jLjtmQQPzmUI= Received: by 10.216.144.25 with SMTP id m25mr778009wej.9.1284648876433; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 07:54:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.242.202 with SMTP id i52ls1010258wer.0.p; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 07:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.11.143 with SMTP id 15mr425673wex.3.1284648875530; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 07:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.11.143 with SMTP id 15mr425672wex.3.1284648875504; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 07:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id x37si977483weq.8.2010.09.16.07.54.34; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 07:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.182; Received: by wyb33 with SMTP id 33so1602812wyb.41 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 07:54:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.72.200 with SMTP id n8mr2836639wbj.223.1284648873633; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 07:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.151.203 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 07:54:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <729457.38076.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C8DF3A5.3040702@lojban.org> <898077.40849.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:54:33 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: other-centric UI From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Craig Daniel wrote: > > But ".oidai" doesn't mean "somebody else feels pain," it means "I feel > pain, empathetically." This is normally pretty much the same, but as > far as I can tell it doesn't actually require anybody else to feel any > pain - for a somewhat crude example, imagine that you are male and you > see one of those naked classical statues have its junk broken off. I > at least am likely to cringe empathetically at the perceived > painfulness of the situation, even though I'd be pretty shocked to > learn that the statue had any actual feelings on the matter at all. Of course. That's how I understand "dai" (and "da'oi") to work. .oi da'oi lo roknau. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.