From lojban+bncCNCCoMTMDhCX0crkBBoEE8jl_w@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 16 16:31:00 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwNue-0008Le-Dl; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:31:00 -0700 Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40sf324419wyb.16 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:30:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gcX6sVgPWS59RpA6jZsL2NT0O07HDhDzkzNj3i1Ofq4=; b=iiZMoQ3G9ZDQ2EOwSLOFKjs1piTww8PcYzno3YOgx1P/2RkpbpbqfpARcnS6d2CPku GhpODjTjvb5t1iAfZoEeT9jxcTBJHj4XeOtGqITdBpyEg3VR+J9OjecDqKEgnnn5UcCT rviMEuZqnR9HivuUZ8gdO2VH73ckYK3MdYZAM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cA4Vhi3beI9vnja7ZYqdKPwRAsDficIWQmPf+G8YPv8AZdQsGGCgHtQRcPRzo/0+B5 rXXJZtFUx6inTund0P4xJugps5PSC/qPVISmBJHxjhpT21zDsO5y9aTt/ShUkZGFtqK7 69nw4bUpyoq48eRcyC4zm4EbXN/SKegLaSU1E= Received: by 10.216.145.130 with SMTP id p2mr959013wej.22.1284679831616; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:30:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.39.10 with SMTP id d10ls64843wbe.2.p; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.129.83 with SMTP id n19mr172935wbs.14.1284679830454; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.129.83 with SMTP id n19mr172934wbs.14.1284679830420; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f44.google.com (mail-ww0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id s70si1139947weq.13.2010.09.16.16.30.29; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.44; Received: by wwb39 with SMTP id 39so103845wwb.25 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.60.211 with SMTP id q19mr274646wbh.217.1284679829237; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:30:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.149.67 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:29:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <729457.38076.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C8DF3A5.3040702@lojban.org> <364433.94354.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <575987.94184.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Stela Selckiku Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:29:59 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: other-centric UI To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:14 PM, John E Clifford wrote: >> And for 1? =A0These are not, after all, translations but rather part of = an effort >> to teach and justify a new usage. =A0One expects such to be fdone with >> relevant care. 2010/9/16 Jorge Llamb=EDas responded: > Not everyone is consciously aware of such linguistic subtleties, so > the fault was not necessarily carelessness. For the record I was just speaking very casually because I'm among seemingly intelligent friends who I'd expect to easily understand this intuitive and simple cmavo given some basic examples. Also, I'm not trying to "justify" anything, any of you can use or approve of "da'oi" or not as you wish. I do think you'll need to understand it in order to understand what people say in Lojban going forward, though, because I think it's extremely necessary and useful and so I'd expect it to be increasingly common, especially now that we've had this public discussion of it. Oh, and it's not a "new" usage either, BTW, it just hadn't yet escaped into mailing-list-ese from IRC-ese. :) I guess according to its jbovlaste page it's been around for a year now: http://jbovlaste.lojban.org//dict/da%27oi mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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