From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDcis7kBBoE9X1PAQ@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 17 08:12:44 2010 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwccB-0001sF-Kk; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:12:43 -0700 Received: by pxi13 with SMTP id 13sf233665pxi.16 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:12:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=puguCk059O06YJUcREyzol26QAGjcrRQB3m+dpnnFMc=; b=mZOr9xynM3gIhOKuKnzJust6ZUTFJbQW+MTLXRYe0ogmrrzUFAe6ryN6CxGvnaA9v7 kjhfNwXdCtNhGYgnEXo2fNW4Evn75V4Wv4ZXYbuHHU2gzCRdQ3dIw0QB84bttt9dkQZS +OMu/8fEVDmN19zqXhoNja9GVHiw9ONMOnuSE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=4D5x4nfPGzB4scMOWjUJNN2djUjTxGvk47dBz537cgecwan9wllTOqf9F68AFI0aN5 Qpn/AOABZeKbKYzRRt1xQO7SOzO2++okkjR4ZW5i0BUdw4qCVQcQKP3uahRPkkqSkNiB 05zNlVe5qvw3QIdsLvjR028WAeHqBBiDGEUYM= Received: by 10.142.3.21 with SMTP id 21mr240384wfc.4.1284736348923; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:12:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.6.9 with SMTP id 9ls3810348wff.3.p; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.4.14 with SMTP id g14mr440864wfi.43.1284736347945; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.4.14 with SMTP id g14mr440863wfi.43.1284736347916; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e3si2778166wfh.7.2010.09.17.08.12.27; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=88hQlV/VnhrPhhPadeRuWHBNMc0qRjlK2a7+9yZesI4= c=1 sm=0 a=mXA3uIxnEPUA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=mEi4fYYGoVvk5zzYlI8A:9 a=dmt8kXPp0WeYHk9aT8EFTBD4Ov8A:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:34910] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E3/D7-29299-B55839C4; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:12:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AAF0A26E for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:12:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Naming: Borrowed versus Native Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:12:22 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201009162252.27786.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201009171112.24302.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 16 September 2010 23:21:19 Jonathan Jones wrote: > Unless, you're talking about the Stone Age, I'd say you're argument doesn't > hold water. Tell me what you are referring to by "chalk era", and I'll tell > you if a fluent English speaker who is ignorant of geology and paleontology > (i.e., me) will understand it in English. Cretaceous. > Thank you for pointing out that not all Linnean names are Latin derived. I > hereby retract the ", in the Latin language" clause from my statement. Now, > to the point of 3), can you provide examples of Linnaen names that are > *not* descriptive. (For the record, I consider something like "*Verreaux's > Eagle*( *Aquila verreauxii*)" to be descriptive.) I did already. "Selmes" didn't mean anything until someone decided to call a mousebird fossil that. Another is Sio, named for the Scripps Institute of Oceanography. > That's actually really interesting. I'm told that French is rather zealous > about not borrowing words as well, to the point of having an official > governmental department with the charge of proscribing French and figuring > out what to call new things. (I'm also told that the French /people/ don't > care nearly as much as the French /government/, but that's OT IMO.) The AF is resisting the influx of English words into French. It apparently has no problem with French borrowing words from Arabic, Japanese, Hindi, and lots of other languages. > My question is, are you mentioning this merely to mention it, or are you > mentioning it with the intention of providing an argument? I'm arguing that even highly conservative languages cannot avoid borrowing words, so it makes no sense to always prefer native descriptive words. Probably there's only one language totally devoid of foreign words, namely Sentinelese. Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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