From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCQ5s_kBBoEXpdcoA@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 17 16:01:00 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwjvL-0004K7-Ap; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:01:00 -0700 Received: by yxs7 with SMTP id 7sf2665869yxs.16 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:00:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Po1KD7BQRI30CkGaDFUZ/yW9uDIoKkOX3GD727z76OQ=; b=XcTXX07IItkJQVCXCbUtQ1djeHesgMoE8lPPSvhofHA37nxkjbTOmtyjdZyfuJbIRu 2zQ/pcqJ3BgupozMSh8JWzYJdTn3pYBWvc240CeDGck70UfPfXtCgB34RKE8tRG5Uqae kcV6axQuEnmThH/eC3+czu71rcz1obH6kuzBA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=R7m4lO2PkeuUU9tDRpveuwciR52LdmzAaau+pP6nZjKT/St3uKQPETa80tKRLcC8yH iiD51VADRYPRUAIPH4CUAW8H4jDb26dhIA3oWMjh6SPS4rv64KVxyrRJmTe3lIdpJtS3 eNMLd/Y8bNTSasrNfQRjMVVf7BUZOYhjhqDdw= Received: by 10.90.5.17 with SMTP id 17mr542594age.19.1284764432527; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:00:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.123.203 with SMTP id q11ls1405317ibr.2.p; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.82 with SMTP id o18mr720230ibk.15.1284764431760; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.82 with SMTP id o18mr720228ibk.15.1284764431383; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f179.google.com (mail-iw0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id cn5si3147936ibb.2.2010.09.17.16.00.30; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.179; Received: by mail-iw0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 4so2873435iwn.24 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:00:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.194.219 with SMTP id dz27mr5181237ibb.104.1284764428967; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.133 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:00:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201009171811.52559.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201009171112.24302.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201009171811.52559.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:00:28 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Naming: Borrowed versus Native From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504501724f68d23204907c87c0 --00504501724f68d23204907c87c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Regarding the Cretaceous Era: Funnily enough, I actually got more information from being told it was {bakrycedra}. At least from that, I got that chalk is a defining characteristic of the period. Why, I have no idea, obviously. All I got from the word Cretaceous is "it was a long time ago". On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Friday 17 September 2010 11:19:55 Jonathan Jones wrote: > > So it's the "Selmes mousebird"? And I'd say the Sio is an inventive name, > > but no less a descriptive name than my eagle example. > > No, it's the Selmes. The species name, "absurdipes", is a description, > but "Selmes" is just a name. > > What would you accept as a non-descriptive name? > Well, the Verreaux's Eagle is the eagle discovered by Verreaux, which is a description that uniquely identifies that species of eagle, so I'd call that a descriptive name. The Sio, I'd assume, is a species discovered by Scripps Institute of Oceanography. I can't find anything about it, although I was able to find SIO's website, so I have no idea what it is other than a guess that it's an ocean-dweller, but I'm willing to bet "Sio" is unique to that species, and is therefore a descriptive name. I consider a descriptive name to be one which uniquely identifies a species, so I'm not even certain you'd be able to find a non-descriptive name - at least not a Linnean one. 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Regarding the Cretaceous Era:

Funnily eno= ugh, I actually got more information from being told it was {bakrycedra}. A= t least from that, I got that chalk is a defining characteristic of the per= iod. Why, I have no idea, obviously. All I got from the word Cretaceous is = "it was a long time ago".

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:=
On Friday 17 September 2010 11:19:55 Jonathan Jones wrote= :
> So it's the "Selmes mousebird"? And I'd say the Sio = is an inventive name,
> but no less a descriptive name than my eagle example.

No, it's the Selmes. The species name, "absurdipes", is= a description,
but "Selmes" is just a name.

What would you accept as a non-descriptive name?

Well, the Verreaux's Eagle is the eagle discovered by Verreau= x, which is a description that uniquely identifies that species of eagle, s= o I'd call that a descriptive name.

The Sio, I'd assume, is a species discovered by Scripps Institute o= f Oceanography. I can't find anything about it, although I was able to = find SIO's website, so I have no idea what it is other than a guess tha= t it's an ocean-dweller, but I'm willing to bet "Sio" is = unique to that species, and is therefore a descriptive name.

I consider a descriptive name to be one which uniquely identifies a spe= cies, so I'm not even certain you'd be able to find a non-descripti= ve name - at least not a Linnean one.

Pierre
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