From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDp7s_kBBoEi0TtuA@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 17 16:19:22 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwkD7-0005wv-IF; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:19:22 -0700 Received: by yxs7 with SMTP id 7sf2676230yxs.16 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:19:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=S/U/Fosgsr1Rjsum4F/BrlyuNPHxEBydE964/CGdOtQ=; b=w4GrcI0oJtUkQLD0lnSff7JELHr/HtzEh5ED5HsiP0WUcrCSgN95xVPFKO8xCoqL/J 81avZFxvHiZX36tjdqyM+HVUWRNJrOFxuIxho2j3MLr0un7AFZp3rM93PtF2WcrPx2DY xoIPjPucVFqQVrH1Jw392VTLTcCsLl056oVxA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=gv2XyzD+F2NteOcNRf4p4XRqomCXsMKyCvflxRf7fUoinKHvvqGQ52c8WTp8uvlANw O88c/4WWjPeej/OI3dacsNLG3UR8EN6fphUEaqSObFMyRB1eQ8cseQX5186/AnhdsvJQ MGi4HnBGkHMNuA7k1Bgi/5NGotL17Jm406Mp8= Received: by 10.90.217.17 with SMTP id p17mr819064agg.2.1284765545423; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:19:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.193.98 with SMTP id dt34ls1411297ibb.0.p; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.182.66 with SMTP id cb2mr774214ibb.4.1284765543852; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.182.66 with SMTP id cb2mr774213ibb.4.1284765543801; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f177.google.com (mail-iw0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id cn5si3156134ibb.6.2010.09.17.16.19.02; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.177; Received: by mail-iw0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 36so2887800iwn.36 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:19:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.152.146 with SMTP id g18mr5993434ibw.48.1284765541885; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.133 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:19:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100917202607.GK13937@digitalkingdom.org> References: <201009171759.09275.jezuch@interia.pl> <20100917202607.GK13937@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:19:01 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Parsers ("ge ... gi ..." question) From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636d35279be662e04907cc991 --001636d35279be662e04907cc991 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/9/17 Robin Lee Powell > On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 05:59:04PM +0200, Krzysztof Sobolewski > wrote: > > Dnia =B6roda, 15 wrze=B6nia 2010 o 00:54:19 Jonathan Jones napisa=B3(a)= : > > > Okay, what is the best working parser we have right now? > > > > I'm also interested in this. Anybody knows? > > Define "best". > Most useful, in the same way that a Swiss Army knife is more useful than a Bowie knife. > The official parser is, well, most official; > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DOfficial+Parser > > camxes is, in many people's eyes, the best encoding of actual Lojban > as it is used/spoken (the "ku joi" problem, for example, is largely > considered a wart, not a true part of the language). > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3Dcamxes > I would agree that camxes. is the current best working parser. > jbofihe does glossing, but has a number of significant bugs in how > it handles the language http://www.rc0.org.uk/jbofihe/ jbofi'e is the only working parser with glossing, which makes it the best "parser with glossing", but I would not say it is the best by any stretch. > There are no other parsers I'm aware of. LogGloss is just a wrapper > on camxes as far as I know, but it may be using the PEG directly; I > don't know, I've never looked at or used it. Someone should ask > Chris to fix his server, or come find me and we can talk about > hosting. > > My understanding of LojGloss is that it takes the output of a camxes. parse and glosses it, with lots of user-friendly bells and whistles. since I consider the camxes. parsing to be better than the jbofi'e parsing, were LojGloss to work, I would consider it to be the best. Is Chris even still around? I don't think he's said anything for awhile now= . Have any of you IRC frequenters seen him recently in there? > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". 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2010/9/17 Robin Lee Powell <= ;rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org= >
> Dnia =B6roda, 15 wrze=B6nia 2010 o 00:54:19 Jonathan= Jones napisa=B3(a):
> > =A0Okay, what is the best working parser we have right now?
>
> I'm also interested in this. Anybody knows?

Define "best".

Most useful, in the= same way that a Swiss Army knife is more useful than a Bowie knife.
=A0=
The official parser is, well, most official;
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DOffici= al+Parser

camxes is, in many people's eyes, the best encoding of actual Lojban as it is used/spoken (the "ku joi" problem, for example, is large= ly
considered a wart, not a true part of the language).
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3Dcamxes
=

I would agree that camxes. is the current best workin= g parser.
=A0
jbofihe does glossing, but has a number of significant bugs in how
it handles the language =A0http://www.rc0.org.uk/jbofihe/

jbofi&= #39;e is the only working parser with glossing, which makes it the best &qu= ot;parser with glossing", but I would not say it is the best by any st= retch.
=A0
There are no other parsers I'm aware of. =A0LogGloss is just a wrapper<= br> on camxes as far as I know, but it may be using the PEG directly; I
don't know, I've never looked at or used it. =A0Someone should ask<= br> Chris to fix his server, or come find me and we can talk about
hosting.


My understanding of LojGloss is that it takes the= output of a camxes. parse and glosses it, with lots of user-friendly bells= and whistles. since I consider the camxes. parsing to be better than the j= bofi'e parsing, were LojGloss to work, I would consider it to be the be= st.

Is Chris even still around? I don't think he's said anything fo= r awhile now. Have any of you IRC frequenters seen him recently in there?=A0
-Robin

--
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Lojban (http://www.loj= ban.org/): The language in which "this parrot
is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this senten= ce is false"
is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/
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