From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCdmdPkBBoE6m6RQw@googlegroups.com Sat Sep 18 07:29:01 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OwyPQ-00040a-OM; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:29:01 -0700 Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40sf698699wyb.16 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:28:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4Y/MmVxHc1hAVUTnoyW6WMyx/VACUhNQ5BHPW8M6uyY=; b=DYH5uI710tKk8CsWmprc0kXEFtcHJHHCixLoYSFlPNR+VRiWPduVBaZUfkf/HsngIy /UyYnsTHUOTCZ8700KVYmC75LsdShDuPBwnXO6Q/T3fJKUvfN+x0x9oUwuGZmGHgq1va urEJqtoFa5lFrbvh1fPPh910i77fCI+KTy6CE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eWdFQLy3isvSJBABm3lcOUsfF4qXY93H1XeKNxX49gv+CU1wXLlEi2zbcCyMEb6hlX 8QRrgUrzUjBG1JxRkWSl6gWMt43kIuk4f3atAGY1vV7EPGObqWPQSMx6B1sBwfOJ8ArN 7WqalOVczBKboSUqwgni+lX75GEkV9OjpoWZo= Received: by 10.216.144.38 with SMTP id m38mr1304997wej.14.1284820125204; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:28:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.242.202 with SMTP id i52ls1998068wer.0.p; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.178.140 with SMTP id f12mr331767wem.13.1284820121755; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.178.140 with SMTP id f12mr331766wem.13.1284820121726; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f44.google.com (mail-ww0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id r4si1906026wec.14.2010.09.18.07.28.40; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.44; Received: by mail-ww0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 39so1314063wwb.13 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:28:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.231.97 with SMTP id k75mr5796002weq.4.1284820120505; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.151.203 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:28:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:28:40 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] [update] le virnu smani blozeile'a From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: > 2010/9/18 Jorge Llamb=EDas : >> >> 1- I still don't understand "lo (...) lanci be tu'i le kampu kumfa". >> >> How can the living-room be the site of the flag if they are in a >> store? And flags hardly have inalienable locations, since they are >> easily movable objects, not like a monument or a mountain. > > That's probably my poor understanding of tu'i. jbovlaste gives: > =A0"associated with site ...," > and I want to express that I'm talking about the a flag that will be > related to the livinig room (in fact you will see it again in the page > when the father comes back to work). > Yes flags can be moved but I hoped I could make clear that that > specific flag is meant to be hang in the living room (and stay there). > What would you suggest for that? I see, it's a flag _for_ the living room. How about "be se va'u lo kampu kumfa"? I'm not saying "tu'i" is wrong, BTW, I just don't understand it. I don't think I ever use "tu'i", and usually when I see someone else use it it doesn't seem to make much sense to me. It doesn't seem to be "lo lanci be tu'i lo kampu kumfa" when they are buying it. Another problem I see here is that "be" will attach to the immediate brivla, not the whole tanru, so you have "blozeile'a (lanci be tu'i lo kampu kumfa)", a "pirate (living-room flag)" rather than a "living room (pirate flag)". You can fix that with ke-ke'e: "ke blozeile'a lanci ke'e be ..." But I think I would prefer no "be" at all here. Something like: "lo cnino ke blozeile'a lanci noi ba jadni lo kampu kumfa" or something. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.