From lojban+bncCNCCoMTMDhCvidXkBBoEGkv2Nw@googlegroups.com Sat Sep 18 16:01:23 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ox6PG-0000o3-Rc; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:01:23 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf940201wwe.16 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:01:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=QpV/H/UCRu+bzilWcljMh+yArobxD32Fi98bexVslD8=; b=6HQOavvzpK+dns/5SGJGi/6D7cPtQ42KFqMboFxaVatTGknADzne88S3veEsaPsXb5 WQCY9SPhNqSljKnuSsgM3br4rTB3xTiFs7Cm0WbBxthvDur/Bk260m8IKD6GCzFbyxza rUHbkDyT6AaGEc5claLzk17+fbmCH3loMYKCY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=rh12BeySjnwgX0F4Rsa49heFb0zHoKqflj3OUHlNflSpQJd5CUSEzIf3sQPH1/YU2R mXm2XE5M5UCtuDxnsHco40Msb3z0pl73pINTV9j9GoRDagXzsftJApR+2gctauRq/Yqw sZWfhOd8ekfdkDCXGAyRIC+mDnBrV/ZWWfl2s= Received: by 10.216.145.226 with SMTP id p76mr1369455wej.18.1284850863804; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:01:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.39.10 with SMTP id d10ls548883wbe.2.p; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.137.80 with SMTP id v16mr280928wbt.20.1284850859282; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.137.80 with SMTP id v16mr280927wbt.20.1284850859252; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f54.google.com (mail-ww0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ey20si1873248wbb.2.2010.09.18.16.00.58; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.54; Received: by wwb22 with SMTP id 22so3654937wwb.11 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.7.131 with SMTP id d3mr203815wbd.83.1284850858109; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:00:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.149.67 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:00:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Stela Selckiku Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:00:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Naming: Borrowed versus Native To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well OK I'll respond to this. I'm not going to respond to any of your points, .aionys., because actually I agree with them. They're all very good points. I just happen to have some other reasons why I do like fu'ivla that for me (and I guess it's a pretty subjective valuation) happen to outweigh those reasons in many cases. So I'll give my own points: 1) Natlang words are often very beautiful. They're river rocks worn smooth by the flow of thousands of years of human speech. 2) The words that Pierre invents, in particular (and he's responsible for most of the animal and plant fu'ivla we're talking about) are beautiful to me. I value his contributions to our language, and I'd like to see them honored and encouraged, not excised and replaced with blocky lujvo. 3) The overall aesthetics of Lojban are improved by having a variety of words. By their nature lujvo have a particular range of shapes that they conform to, and the different shapes of fu'ivla strike me as a breath of fresh air. 4) A variety of shapes and sounds also facilitates learning, because a variety of words give more hooks for one's memory than words that are more similar. 5) Our goal of cultural neutrality is hardly served by limiting ourselves to the 6 gismu source languages for all time. By allowing in words from various cultures we can have something friendly to greet new Lojbanists from various cultures, allowing them to feel respected and a little more at home. 6) You're quite right that a lujvo can be created for anything at all, so if fu'ivla were actually only a last resort we would never need to resort to it, and that entire class of Lojban words would be useless. I'm sure there are other reasons why I like fu'ivla, but those are the ones that come to mind at the moment! mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.