From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDPpt3kBBoEWukylw@googlegroups.com Mon Sep 20 05:28:16 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OxfTf-0005k3-OQ; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 05:28:15 -0700 Received: by pwj6 with SMTP id 6sf526496pwj.16 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 05:28:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=9QZWA/b85zWVYpqDWAuPEPguGBSyogIX7n/RRjKRqp4=; b=Ti9D/4akUa614Mw0bu0k6qJqTCpwIbWjCG04Q/PSCQ5E2mkn6u+LGJgDoLIS+WX2T9 rZ0T8JpyarZZ7UuSZD3CnTo4dFcX34O9JeZxPZMlb0CBdYFoEtzsvpWLgoSDXlOxA4Zd ri3gBEVpwcFUV5/AT6STYBHdXj3SOCqs/BikM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=IERLdMcvHTAWUn+N7436b3GYjmz2/6o55Sd0rcbwb+5heoPSazPLGNbqxap6MSH78Y jko2MupYjjvi7N5qrqZprPwH5rcHA2Y7+z/uWbJ/oEK0Zbyf1pH0CUDuYzP2vXeVhlR6 Ivj2t9LXaSRghGjJqSueHMdVFp/aK5gWdozfQ= Received: by 10.142.149.29 with SMTP id w29mr124603wfd.38.1284985679716; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 05:27:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.6.9 with SMTP id 9ls6934847wff.3.p; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 05:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.171.17 with SMTP id t17mr1663828wfe.10.1284985678977; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 05:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.171.17 with SMTP id t17mr1663827wfe.10.1284985678954; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 05:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id w33si1711922wfd.5.2010.09.20.05.27.58; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 05:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=88hQlV/VnhrPhhPadeRuWHBNMc0qRjlK2a7+9yZesI4= c=1 sm=0 a=x_6DW41COgMA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=kC5mSutx7MiMq7p73lYA:9 a=QI2dRvRSkqsflsa0aQXgO0YocVAA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:59916] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 6A/3A-29299-D43579C4; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:27:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91482CA7 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:27:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] [update] le virnu smani blozeile'a Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:27:41 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201009200057.08637.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201009200827.43474.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Monday 20 September 2010 02:18:12 Remo Dentato wrote: > The problem I have is that in "le mamta be leblozeile'a no'u la > modix." the name is attached to "le mamta" and "be no'u" is not > grammatical. I agree it's not the best solution but for now I'll > leave beme'e I ran "le mamta be le blozeile'a no'u la modix cu cusku" through "jbofi'e -t" and it says that "no'u la modix" attaches to "le blozeile'a", not to "le mamta". If you want it to attach to "le mamta", you can say "be'o no'u". > That's true but I had problem with "protect". Since {bandu} requires > an event it would be much complicated (to me) to translate and, since > the original said that the shot would have protected him from > "something", I pretended the shot had some vaccine mixed with Vitamin > C against scurvy. THat might be scientifically inaccurate but I > guessed that children wouldn't have noticed. > > btw I understand the reason but I think that it's a shame we can't > easily express concepts like "the mother protects the child". We must > always specify "how". If you don't want to specify, you can always say "tu'a". 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