From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCyg-PkBBoEBOkt1g@googlegroups.com Tue Sep 21 07:31:50 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Oy3sT-0001b0-MT; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:31:49 -0700 Received: by qwi4 with SMTP id 4sf12143032qwi.16 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:31:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=iEZSyjR9HadSGWyQqDqAh03M1kk8oAepD2CXRTHDk/E=; b=5f6cdQ52K8M1AspKAAAKFjki6ufmUB8ZPtN/cuddcV4Yi4yM0ryfdgNadR46mWtqON sJFtMQe/LHHP3DqWVkXTmgsXabQN25WCGS62aDvqYb95PBdyQOZEn6ZHgp3DEwMy39cm 6AvgISFfEHlafyi45Fya//Z7VT5Nnv2UREJ1s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=KJW8vwBr5zH1HicYwc7+zvXR1/zzGI3GcjuE7q/cM5sNze3J0W+wWdzV/x6O+X8p6B 1V8h8kPB2txg8upqOS8i13FOTHut6G31yX3FiCio7GxlG+biWRHYDkH6FesezQFvTytT YlLC4MDHUlW422xnORNmRgg6pKMCmmKdSfL4I= Received: by 10.229.141.76 with SMTP id l12mr716178qcu.19.1285079474132; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:31:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.173.155 with SMTP id p27ls2434025qcz.3.p; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.228.132 with SMTP id je4mr927905qcb.10.1285079473387; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.228.132 with SMTP id je4mr927904qcb.10.1285079473359; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f43.google.com (mail-qw0-f43.google.com [209.85.216.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id c41si4899615qcs.12.2010.09.21.07.31.12; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.43; Received: by mail-qw0-f43.google.com with SMTP id 8so5458486qwj.30 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:31:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.71.148 with SMTP id h20mr6955053qaj.361.1285079471749; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.85.3 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:31:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100910011141.GS20652@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:31:09 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Teaching methods, especially WRT terminators, and validation thereof From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 fu'e o'onairo'a tu'e ba'acu'i do la xorxes ca simxu pendo .i ku'i mi na kakne lo nu selri'u lo mi ka fengu On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Lindar wrote: > > That being said, I can't possibly express this without sounding like a > douche. .iesai > > 2. While you are a very productive and valued member of the community, > I feel that you haven't been a part of it. I haven't seen you produce > anything (like Remo, selkik, or kampu), be the backbone of the > community (like Robin), or be a helpful sage to newbies of IRC (like > xalbo, ARJ, or Shoulsen). I definitely haven't seen you try to make an > effort to reach new audiences and expand the community to new venues > of learning and social media like I've been doing/trying/failing at. > Really, the only thing I have seen you do is pitch in your two cents > here and there. Whether or not any of this is the case, that is how I > perceive you. Subsequently, I don't feel like you have very much > weight to say much of anything. You come off as old guard, attached to > old ways simply because they're what you had when you weren't old > guard, and completely out of touch with anything modern. You sound to > me like how a surgeon from 1910 must sound to a modern one. .i paunai mu'ima do lo nu za'e xlasku lo pendo be mi cu darsi .i lo drata be mi pu xusra lo du'u la xorxes mutce lo ka lojbo ke ciska ja selce'u .i mi ju'o tugni .i ku'i pa lo nu do gunta xy. pu na selspu .i do cusku zoi gy. I haven't seen you ... be a helpful sage to newbies of IRC (like xalbo, ARJ, or Shoulsen). I definitely haven't seen you try to make an effort to reach new audiences ... gy. .i ba'e do la'a cu'i zgana lo nu la xorxes sidju lo ninjbo sedi'o la .irk. .i ku'i xy. vu'e sidju lo ninjbo sedi'o ba'e la'o gy. lojban-beginners gy. .i go'i sedi'o ri gi'e ca'o sidju sedi'o lo sivni samxa'a .i caki lo nu mi ninjbo kei la xorxes. cu sidju ctuca .i xy. ze'u ciksi su'oda mi ja'e lo nu mi jimpe .i mi'a ze'u casnu lo gerna tcila .i so'e lo me la .irk jbopre cu tarti lo nu termlu lo ka maltolmencre kei mi kei lo nu mi reisku su'oda to la clsn .e la eimis na no'a toi .i la xorxes noroi go'i .i kiku ca lo nu mi ciska su'o da kei la xorxes. tcidu ro le valsi gi'e sidju xagzengau ra .iji'a la xorxes. xebni so'i lo slabu lojbo gerna gi'enai jorne ri .i mi so'iroi toltu'i xy. .i ku'i la xorxes cu mutce lo ka cmima lo lojbo cecmu .ije va'o da'i lo nu do na sezypei po'o kei do ka'e jimpe lo du'u go'i tu'u fu'o Xorxes: > .i ly su'o roi cusku lo cizra .a lo tolracli do nitcu zo boi --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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