From lojban+bncCNCCoMTMDhDB1eTkBBoEt93KIw@googlegroups.com Tue Sep 21 14:59:47 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OyAsI-0004PP-9z; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:59:46 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf1624580wwe.16 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:59:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ozwell44lwCm8nO36DWodPzHYWG6Ip5ehrG+nWyNJ0w=; b=SiU5SgFXnn+lZFkaBh7JV2zAyfQSBTal4kXhGT6S36fXimv8H/80wD4jOIaMCZw+ox qzof2AmQzG0ghjhVGghZQWzofvsrjtvhumEevC1GzV2pCLuNmbhnskezqudEU59w98x3 TOV1fcmXO/XRoGHEyezBRR40SdYIccPsslIdA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pPyvUBbHkHfoAxzVR6FV66VonmJGcDvg9p9KtsX0iG6ei4bz8o2trhwZrFA1K6fZVk mqD3PsHW06UgOovt/y5Z+0emkMXi/mXV6kIpqZbxTaKwYIvUxBu8bsX01LywRKmiE0aT 4omW8JzpL9BEwoGYnZ5HHnx9NCBSRnr/NqR9Q= Received: by 10.216.145.90 with SMTP id o68mr2079198wej.23.1285106369893; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:59:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.242.202 with SMTP id i52ls3402345wer.0.p; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.144.28 with SMTP id m28mr359951wej.8.1285106368716; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.144.28 with SMTP id m28mr359950wej.8.1285106368694; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f171.google.com (mail-wy0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id o41si3362318weq.4.2010.09.21.14.59.27; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.171; Received: by mail-wy0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 35so5946642wyb.16 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.196.74 with SMTP id ef10mr3880901wbb.18.1285106366714; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:59:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.149.67 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:58:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201009211505.50100.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Stela Selckiku Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:58:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] ma krinu lonu lo jbopre na tavla fo la.lojban. ne'i levi snustu | Why aren't we speaking in Lojban in here? To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > =A0 Oh, yeah, I do that, too...=A0 Add that as reason 4 :-).=A0 I'm not s= aying I > never use FA constructs.=A0 In fact, I usually do.=A0 I just made a styli= stic > choice this time not to.=A0 *shrug* Hey yeah how about: 5) because it's stylish and far out and fun! We make a lot of concessions all the time in our Lojbanic style for all y'all nintadni, but it's relaxing sometimes to stretch our legs and take Lojban out for a bit of a jog once in a while. Believe me, I understand how overwhelming it is; it's only in the past year or two that I've been able to read la gejyspa's beautiful architectural style any faster than a snail can crawl. But once you've got the hang of them tricks like the "se te se" thing (in Lojban I call it the za'e "terbricakselkei", the bridi place shell game) are fun and interesting! I've been thinking someday it'll be nice to have a list called something like "pluja" or za'e "lujyjbo" where we can explore more difficult styles without overwhelming people. I use more complicated styles sometimes when talking privately with people, but I don't usually bring them out here, because I know how they can put a damper on a conversation-- people feel like they have to read everything in a conversation in order to participate, but then they get stuck on a head-scratcher like "se te se" and end up not saying anything. I don't mind usually putting mostly gismu in simple frames to broaden the conversation, but it would be nice to also have somewhere to play around with trickier things. BTW for those not tuned in, Hedwig (la .xedbig.) is doing quite well, with 18 members and 85 messages so far. I've been mostly speaking very simply there in order to let the conversation flow, but I did do one difficult experiment, which I'll copy here: .ie zo to .e zo toi (to mi cafne pilno (to ku'i mi na'e mutce (to na'e simsa dei toi) pluja bo jufra (to simsa dei toi) zbasu (to mukti fa lo nu na'e cfipu (to lakne fa lo nu dei jai cfipu ku'i .u'u (to ku'i mi djica lo nu mutce (to mutce mutce toi) pilno (to zdile (to tcezdi toi) mi toi) le mlevla toi) le nintadni toi) le nintadni toi) fi le mlevla toi) le mlevla toi) cinri mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.