From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCH2uTkBBoExaA7LQ@googlegroups.com Tue Sep 21 15:09:29 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OyB1h-00057U-AQ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:09:29 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf6078724gwb.16 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:09:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Wb/ep0zLrcvlbQsiMTNsgV4axMFGG+t9Vg3syx05AFc=; b=OEV+LY8QKYzD8pGQ4Y5bZ9BDSQchq5XD29VpQsbn7nHhblurBFbTTXSsIGVDfwSzug Q9/8HZRSZBH/D88MYQ3sQro/ELBYYGRE92F03x8NaUOi9iLLJAy4OEyLJ4GsnpOiJVTD eoyGGY9YpzeVy4MUdxTMVCgmEMSzMfnmad2oE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=GMV4XNIVCr4+Ay1BWceLXuQEPtkOjgCl6mufcc6BYra9JM+atBLVRb7AiojnhhYiyP oD0izLSO9/0WeRaYVzaFP7VzNlleFi3NADJI7bKospG5SHVFJvQgJvRqDCi1NHfXQDj1 Q02wXAJUt8D4sEjWXf1yxZLLbkYdLQzvx/6gQ= Received: by 10.90.58.40 with SMTP id g40mr2817aga.53.1285106951846; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:09:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.17.28 with SMTP id 28ls19339agq.6.p; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.114.20 with SMTP id r20mr26057ybm.2.1285106951272; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.114.20 with SMTP id r20mr26056ybm.2.1285106951236; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f45.google.com (mail-yw0-f45.google.com [209.85.213.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a6si7504518ybo.6.2010.09.21.15.09.10; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.45; Received: by ywg4 with SMTP id 4so2791343ywg.18 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:09:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.13.4 with SMTP id q4mr68923ybi.152.1285106949983; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.133 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:09:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201009211505.50100.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:09:09 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] ma krinu lonu lo jbopre na tavla fo la.lojban. ne'i levi snustu | Why aren't we speaking in Lojban in here? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd69740408ead0490cc4740 --000e0cd69740408ead0490cc4740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Stela Selckiku wrote: > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > > > > Oh, yeah, I do that, too... Add that as reason 4 :-). I'm not saying > I > > never use FA constructs. In fact, I usually do. I just made a stylistic > > choice this time not to. *shrug* > > Hey yeah how about: 5) because it's stylish and far out and fun! We > make a lot of concessions all the time in our Lojbanic style for all > y'all nintadni, but it's relaxing sometimes to stretch our legs and > take Lojban out for a bit of a jog once in a while. Believe me, I > understand how overwhelming it is; it's only in the past year or two > that I've been able to read la gejyspa's beautiful architectural style > any faster than a snail can crawl. But once you've got the hang of > them tricks like the "se te se" thing (in Lojban I call it the za'e > "terbricakselkei", the bridi place shell game) are fun and > interesting! > > I've been thinking someday it'll be nice to have a list called > something like "pluja" or za'e "lujyjbo" where we can explore more > difficult styles without overwhelming people. I use more complicated > styles sometimes when talking privately with people, but I don't > usually bring them out here, because I know how they can put a damper > on a conversation-- people feel like they have to read everything in a > conversation in order to participate, but then they get stuck on a > head-scratcher like "se te se" and end up not saying anything. I > don't mind usually putting mostly gismu in simple frames to broaden > the conversation, but it would be nice to also have somewhere to play > around with trickier things. > > BTW for those not tuned in, Hedwig (la .xedbig.) is doing quite well, > with 18 members and 85 messages so far. I've been mostly speaking > very simply there in order to let the conversation flow, but I did do > one difficult experiment, which I'll copy here: > > .ie zo to .e zo toi (to mi cafne pilno (to ku'i mi na'e mutce (to na'e > simsa dei toi) pluja bo jufra (to simsa dei toi) zbasu (to mukti fa lo > nu na'e cfipu (to lakne fa lo nu dei jai cfipu ku'i .u'u (to ku'i mi > djica lo nu mutce (to mutce mutce toi) pilno (to zdile (to tcezdi toi) > mi toi) le mlevla toi) le nintadni toi) le nintadni toi) fi le mlevla > toi) le mlevla toi) cinri > > mi'e la stela selckiku > mu'o > Yes, I remember saying I really hated all those damned nested "to .. toi"s. :D -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Stela Selckiku = <selckiku@gmail.= com> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com> = wrote:
>
> =A0 Oh, yeah, I do that, too...=A0 Add that as reason 4 :-).=A0 I'= m not saying I
> never use FA constructs.=A0 In fact, I usually do.=A0 I just made a st= ylistic
> choice this time not to.=A0 *shrug*

Hey yeah how about: 5) because it's stylish and far out and fun! = =A0We
make a lot of concessions all the time in our Lojbanic style for all
y'all nintadni, but it's relaxing sometimes to stretch our legs and=
take Lojban out for a bit of a jog once in a while. =A0Believe me, I
understand how overwhelming it is; it's only in the past year or two that I've been able to read la gejyspa's beautiful architectural st= yle
any faster than a snail can crawl. =A0But once you've got the hang of them tricks like the "se te se" thing (in Lojban I call it the za= 'e
"terbricakselkei", the bridi place shell game) are fun and
interesting!

I've been thinking someday it'll be nice to have a list called
something like "pluja" or za'e "lujyjbo" where we c= an explore more
difficult styles without overwhelming people. =A0I use more complicated
styles sometimes when talking privately with people, but I don't
usually bring them out here, because I know how they can put a damper
on a conversation-- people feel like they have to read everything in a
conversation in order to participate, but then they get stuck on a
head-scratcher like "se te se" and end up not saying anything. = =A0I
don't mind usually putting mostly gismu in simple frames to broaden
the conversation, but it would be nice to also have somewhere to play
around with trickier things.

BTW for those not tuned in, Hedwig (la .xedbig.) is doing quite well,
with 18 members and 85 messages so far. =A0I've been mostly speaking very simply there in order to let the conversation flow, but I did do
one difficult experiment, which I'll copy here:

.ie zo to .e zo toi (to mi cafne pilno (to ku'i mi na'e mutce (to n= a'e
simsa dei toi) pluja bo jufra (to simsa dei toi) zbasu (to mukti fa lo
nu na'e cfipu (to lakne fa lo nu dei jai cfipu ku'i .u'u (to ku= 'i mi
djica lo nu mutce (to mutce mutce toi) pilno (to zdile (to tcezdi toi)
mi toi) le mlevla toi) le nintadni toi) le nintadni toi) fi le mlevla
toi) le mlevla toi) cinri

mi'e la stela selckiku
mu'o

Yes, I remember saying I really ha= ted all those damned nested "to .. toi"s. :D

--
mu'= ;o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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