From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDXuu7kBBoEYjxVug@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 23 11:33:13 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OyqbV-0003K3-3M; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:33:12 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf466909wwe.16 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:33:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=rqDZ4sQiAygxT7vfM6vjpbjnIR4VuRvdO33PKORTXMc=; b=kuPX0PBfJBQAk+QZE319eMRFLfXsuZEyhrBbsd7uaH/7WyOFQZ+ZTlrRgrbvnGQ61D OTGeSzl4ap+L+w5/NMu+GBuViShlZOcN1raIXPaSSBmlEhI79YUmnGeQIRK/ZOoPcmZt 8anqy/3ETBlFu/5AgSgNALOH5e5+i7VX2GcyY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=02GcR4EswMDsJOi6VTiLLPfx0G+OrquI50iwObOHI9hMsgfBrxXosFjBT2T9CHGjHi 1Aawzr5YuJA3ScwhebQOYrVxPliZC6v4/BsgNSNRyOzZPRAx6EAf2Ur5l/i/d8+sV7vr TLpXksv0p7NcYYYwTnrCAJvBzedWwQ8b0DL+0= Received: by 10.216.35.85 with SMTP id t63mr41969wea.28.1285266775709; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:32:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.237.165 with SMTP id y37ls575693weq.1.p; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.73.202 with SMTP id v52mr493586wed.6.1285266773992; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.73.202 with SMTP id v52mr493585wed.6.1285266773974; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f44.google.com (mail-ww0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k12si377103weq.11.2010.09.23.11.32.52; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.44; Received: by mail-ww0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 20so2939wwd.1 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:32:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.157.134 with SMTP id b6mr1977047wbx.115.1285266772662; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:32:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <38be6f52-9655-414a-adbe-8eb94559fd5f@e34g2000prn.googlegroups.com> References: <38be6f52-9655-414a-adbe-8eb94559fd5f@e34g2000prn.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:32:51 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Lindar wrote: > > Specifically, the line {ni'o la .alis. co'a tatpi lo nu zutse lo rirxe > korbi re'o lo mensi gi'e zukte fi no da} is incorrect. The original > text reads "Alice was beginning to get very tired of sitting by her > sister on the bank, and of having nothing to do.". This doesn't > actually mean that she's becoming fatigued. mi do ckire lo nu do te pinka doi lindar http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tire says for "tire (v.)": "3. to have the strength reduced or exhausted, as by labor or exertion; become fatigued; be sleepy. 4. to have one's appreciation, interest, patience, etc., exhausted; become or be weary; become bored (usually fol. by of ): He soon tired of playing billiards." So, is "tatpi" just for sense 3, or does it also include sense 4? Is it just exhaustion of strength, or also of interest or patience? The wording of the gi'uste, which includes "situation" for the x2, suggests that it also applies to exhaustion of patience. If not, what do you suggest instead? mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.