From lojban+bncCNCCoMTMDhCZ4O7kBBoEoRpiHg@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 23 12:53:14 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Oyrqw-0000DM-8s; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:53:13 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf484397wwe.16 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:53:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=RCpVeYr6NHYsmn2ikcKmhKgPEbA2H10ILjcUf3FUtI0=; b=i6SomVBb7Y3uefZXW+mIdM6Uww4N2PAjMtGZEZEVGHoVW/rLh3aNEaidiAHPEYSXuv n/QOD00RVFCjfMBJT4dRNzc2qHXv1KayE0Gcxyq0TexvYagBi/JFie80VCQgjjR7nbFf JVlxfdE0dWIGHR+cto/1Ya3szdD7CXSPX9Qsw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Y0Tz809U5eZ9IXxxp+s0rNEecV0/aq+hm1nAJFisiLCkap0x4lcgBSIWWCWYg43UWo SAQONKrU1zIgM6oJoic9QD1W696hilS6MdCT4mhreWWoL4TYCtMalzJqH8PHIdDicPGd wHDl7AowibsEdx5yKUJyUBLYCzwMEUJSNtLdU= Received: by 10.216.145.132 with SMTP id p4mr498450wej.5.1285271577050; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:52:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.242.202 with SMTP id i52ls603518wer.0.p; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.154.82 with SMTP id g60mr110429wek.11.1285271575776; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.154.82 with SMTP id g60mr110428wek.11.1285271575737; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f45.google.com (mail-ww0-f45.google.com [74.125.82.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id o41si403355weq.4.2010.09.23.12.52.54; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.45; Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so2165544wwa.26 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.148.20 with SMTP id n20mr2067534wbv.94.1285271573776; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:52:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.139.198 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:52:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <38be6f52-9655-414a-adbe-8eb94559fd5f@e34g2000prn.googlegroups.com> From: Stela Selckiku Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:52:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/9/23 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > > So, is "tatpi" just for sense 3, or does it also include sense 4? Is > it just exhaustion of strength, or also of interest or patience? The > wording of the gi'uste, which includes "situation" for the x2, > suggests that it also applies to exhaustion of patience. If not, what > do you suggest instead? I disagree with Lindar; I think that "tatpi" is a good translation. We could perhaps distinguish two kinds of "tatpi", being tired of physical exertion perhaps za'e "xadyta'i" (xadni+tatpi) and being tired of mental exertion perhaps za'e "menta'i" (menli+tatpi). These would have in common that they are the result of a strenuous activity, either physical or mental, the seltatpi, which the tatpi has engaged in until they've finally become tatpi. That's different from being se tolzdi, which one can be immediately upon encountering something tolzdi. mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.