From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCA5O7kBBoEfyawew@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 23 13:01:24 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Oyryp-0000ua-Li; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:01:24 -0700 Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40sf490263wyb.16 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:01:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=c9/uHyItgF6SWnrA9TkePif1vVnURV37NUaiMqVWL/Y=; b=5+dcRyTIXhhtnuStJInd+xVrib61wuV/GOxITipMjuX6Yn1qjOG6YrLR7I3hZR9vnP pDAazPWio+NDRbVkA8OCM/T8ZQx1d7JTAUykP5S64tLyBJEf29R9QlZqwn9y8yjf5WSQ ryEAE5IY1M/qwjeMEbuWnk4AMCZj1wiGGxgvg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Y4SWb9WXgZDyV00EfjeZx9Q07dou+f8z5bWJOzCQtcLPSPg+W/pwWuqbDHMNgMbzlA OzdT5uSg8b6i7VFSvmPcra7CIZMGuf8iqOS7DUorla0EoT6WYToTyojPwsLJQuNzcVv+ BZ3oNxJ4tz8CabU21cKfbgRqpmRaxNuVv+52U= Received: by 10.216.144.25 with SMTP id m25mr502179wej.24.1285272064362; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:01:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.92.203 with SMTP id s11ls509581wbm.1.p; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.207.209 with SMTP id fz17mr132921wbb.27.1285272062294; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.207.209 with SMTP id fz17mr132920wbb.27.1285272061958; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f169.google.com (mail-wy0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id q13si433956wbs.4.2010.09.23.13.01.00; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.169; Received: by wyb36 with SMTP id 36so2698798wyb.14 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:01:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.128.134 with SMTP id k6mr2151889wbs.23.1285272060195; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:01:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <38be6f52-9655-414a-adbe-8eb94559fd5f@e34g2000prn.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:01:00 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Stela Selckiku wrote: > > I disagree with Lindar; I think that "tatpi" is a good translation. > We could perhaps distinguish two kinds of "tatpi", being tired of > physical exertion perhaps za'e "xadyta'i" (xadni+tatpi) and being > tired of mental exertion perhaps za'e "menta'i" (menli+tatpi). =A0These > would have in common that they are the result of a strenuous activity, > either physical or mental, the seltatpi, which the tatpi has engaged > in until they've finally become tatpi. =A0That's different from being se > tolzdi, which one can be immediately upon encountering something > tolzdi. I think tatpi is not necessarily the result of "strenuous" activity, it's the result of something that exhausts or drains your energy, whatever kind of energy. Strenuous activity can be one cause but doing nothing can also drain your energy (as in this case for Alice). The gi'uste does include "situation" as a possible cause of tatpi, not just activity. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.