From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDp9O7kBBoEfoHoRw@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 23 13:37:17 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OysXY-00045c-Ol; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:37:17 -0700 Received: by qwi4 with SMTP id 4sf4140694qwi.16 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:37:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=PyzTX/F9X2X60/GIxMq598w0GanYzJv9m9JtHDzcqQs=; b=WOVYHQGSU5mOnOzbSng47T4225A0Pmhj7dXk2UHVH+AaG1330f2aApjIPlWOD79CV8 CEPnOpaLG5mdqT3u6FE3ynQTOqxgV3WMhsDJPITXLQQMMLm3kR4QQ/hhJaQcxSXYol5i 9STWwN/Ug1v6DjVJfENCbvBKpr1SFr7dP4wbE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=odA8f8n7J3+Dop38QsYpgBNlHlOVC7RYOBaYZHYt4Ft/F2iuV0t2W+LPcZZGBeaCWh N/iM3qJ2knM7Fhi1XC3iS3PMlPfTFZbKoPb63FnMOwZjuQTPcQLfP1pSFY+rhBShSn2c GyhhqpZTZ28rUCxXO0gRHDolHJEBBaRIBsnrI= Received: by 10.224.69.131 with SMTP id z3mr303392qai.25.1285274217500; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:36:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.58.228 with SMTP id i36ls370745qah.4.p; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.54.14 with SMTP id c14mr761491yba.38.1285274215324; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.54.14 with SMTP id c14mr761490yba.38.1285274215291; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f176.google.com (mail-yx0-f176.google.com [209.85.213.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l2si1014850ybn.15.2010.09.23.13.36.54; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.176; Received: by mail-yx0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 22so868836yxn.7 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:36:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.69.17 with SMTP id w17mr3530807ybk.288.1285274213953; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:36:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100923201824.GK30871@digitalkingdom.org> References: <38be6f52-9655-414a-adbe-8eb94559fd5f@e34g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <20100923195535.GF30871@digitalkingdom.org> <20100923201824.GK30871@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:36:53 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd33064f632a60490f3386c --000e0cd33064f632a60490f3386c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 At first I agreed with xorxes (mostly out of oh-god-another-damn-word-Im-gonna-need-to-learn-ness). But now that I think of it, it seems somewhat malglico to say that the selbri of "lo mi xadji cu tatpi" is expressing the same relationship as "mi binxo lo se nalcinri". "tired of sitting around" sounds more like disinterest/boredom than it does "tiredness". Just because english uses one word to describe what seems to be two different states, doesn't mean that the corresponding lojban should. All that being said, I hope to hell that xorxes convinces us that I'm wrong (again, mostly because of the oh-god-another-damn-word-Im-gonna-need-to-learn-ness factor) On Sep 23, 2010 4:18 PM, "Robin Lee Powell" wrote: > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 04:14:52PM -0400, Stela Selckiku wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Robin Lee Powell >> wrote: >> > >> > That would be fine, if what was being described in the English >> > text was "tiredness from mental exertion". It isn't. What's >> > being described is boredom from *lack* of interesting mental >> > activity. >> >> Clearly you are forgetting what it's like to be a child! It's an >> incredible amount of exertion to have to sit around with nothing >> to do while your sister reads a boring book! > > That's exertion to sit still; that has nothing to do with how I got > to be bored in the first place. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". 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At first I agreed with xorxes (mostly out of oh-god-another-damn-word-Im= -gonna-need-to-learn-ness).=A0 But now that I think of it, it seems somewha= t malglico to say that the selbri of "lo mi xadji cu tatpi" is ex= pressing the same relationship as "mi binxo lo se nalcinri".=A0 &= quot;tired of sitting around" sounds more like disinterest/boredom tha= n it does "tiredness".

Just because english uses one word to describe what seems to be two diff= erent states, doesn't mean that the corresponding lojban should.

All that being said, I hope to hell that xorxes convinces us that I'= m wrong (again, mostly because of the oh-god-another-damn-word-Im-gonna-nee= d-to-learn-ness factor)

On Sep 23, 2010 4:18 PM, "Robin Lee Powell&= quot; <rlpowell@digitalki= ngdom.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 = at 04:14:52PM -0400, Stela Selckiku wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Robin Lee Powell
>> <= rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org<= /a>> wrote:
>> >
>> > That would be fine, if wha= t was being described in the English
>> > text was "tiredness from mental exertion". =A0It is= n't. =A0What's
>> > being described is boredom from *la= ck* of interesting mental
>> > activity.
>>
>&g= t; Clearly you are forgetting what it's like to be a child! It's a= n
>> incredible amount of exertion to have to sit around with nothing>> to do while your sister reads a boring book!
>
> Th= at's exertion to sit still; that has nothing to do with how I got
> to be bored in the first place.
>
> -Robin
>
&g= t; --
> http://singinst.org/ : = Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
> Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which &qu= ot;this parrot
> is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this s= entence is false"
> is "na nei". My personal page: <= a href=3D"http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/">http://www.digitalkingdom.org= /rlp/
>
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