From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRC7g-_kBBoEbrEwwA@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 23 14:08:42 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Oyt1m-0005n7-E9; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:08:42 -0700 Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40sf502350wyb.16 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:08:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=nwMCT82EI2uciwLUs8J4xctJl8hhp5ABLUS3vRIMPG8=; b=IAaTkEBnbwII9nK08vF7vxn6NH+WgonXN8mcVHBNSaTO/ldW3pfv2qqoPE1T0GeVHK PdhGr8Ja8ETRKt702F/KICEyauXDPHn3k3Kyw257bwikBmqH+pMxP4Egas/cN7cJOFmK un4A9Zxy1+e2gAioJSewusdELlFzOsG3zfzVA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=3yHn+7z2cmCWyhVWUmjGJFDRqK5KdL50K7mA4SiLQO9kYr400Ghan4tL23MFoeG24n gy/w6uDuNWmJEbxdvL6/I7tm9kIKRYRq5TsKARnkbil0j3YXUUl1qzGfNeR/3QvUPgOC LjWihUl4MDUDIs6v4BPnEQbAXfU3ScojdWUV8= Received: by 10.216.145.9 with SMTP id o9mr537063wej.0.1285276091437; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:08:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.242.202 with SMTP id i52ls627567wer.0.p; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.36.137 with SMTP id w9mr508959wea.0.1285276090193; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.36.137 with SMTP id w9mr508958wea.0.1285276090129; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f169.google.com (mail-wy0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m11si423647wej.15.2010.09.23.14.08.09; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.169; Received: by wyb36 with SMTP id 36so2790062wyb.14 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:08:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.146.142 with SMTP id h14mr2178700wbv.25.1285276088995; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:08:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100923203358.GL30871@digitalkingdom.org> References: <38be6f52-9655-414a-adbe-8eb94559fd5f@e34g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <20100923200001.GG30871@digitalkingdom.org> <20100923200644.GI30871@digitalkingdom.org> <20100923201719.GJ30871@digitalkingdom.org> <20100923203358.GL30871@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:08:08 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 05:29:42PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> >> Some things are >> interesting from the beginning, and some are not. > > And sitting on a riverbank doing nothing is in the latter category. But the text says that she is _beginning_ to get tired. i.e. the boredom of just sitting there is starting to take its toll on her. > Therefore, tatpi doesn't apply to me. > > I'm sorry, but tatpi just doesn't seem applicable there at all. Fine, you say "tatpi" has a narrow meaning: physical energy exhaustion. In general, when there is a possibility of narrow vs wide meaning, Lojban tends to go with the wide meaning, because it's usually easear to narrow down than to widen. It's not as if the mental sense of tiredness is completely unrelated to the physical sense. So what would you suggest for "she was beginning to get tired of sitting there doing nothing"? mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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