From lojban+bncCK30vq5WENKE7-QEGgRTSkyM@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 23 14:11:17 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Oyt4D-0005xW-Ep; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:11:17 -0700 Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7sf535358pzk.16 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:10:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; bh=X42bthAX/QJzqtI7ONYLmAWYIOlDF/oB41XomvBskc8=; b=f3QF54q+tOeXKT7tbYxhp/nKlW/truR7yt78tvpX3wYd0RrV0h7lgjxuTM66g1uTXg GAmmKFVUE3aoCwgClk9TcFnXH3YeU6frq07lc2OvP7619CLcwSZQ3q2CALbQJ7mn7CNe a4x3nTxMGwJjJZIDoc9E/O9rjh9rGz6H2GRec= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; b=B9AiV0C4XUkT1Jrpr0TYy51WcGZm2mLqo2//ZjRHKTZTpSfoJHQd/zRaMpLIDNv0L7 hvALMBagUeB4Lca1tuwTTfxU0p6q2zLWUDVibkyMyCOmwwKkNgKrwZ22uz0jnJm6iSLW 3gcXngY3SZofLOmFoDrLYEEV6cfazcrM7IHEQ= Received: by 10.142.230.18 with SMTP id c18mr145098wfh.43.1285276242731; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:10:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.10.2 with SMTP id 2ls1553001wfj.0.p; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.73.11 with SMTP id v11mr442293wfa.18.1285276241938; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.73.11 with SMTP id v11mr442292wfa.18.1285276241919; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (173-13-139-234-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e3si1437302wfh.3.2010.09.23.14.10.41; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 173.13.139.234 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Oyt3w-0005wx-UP for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:10:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:10:40 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version Message-ID: <20100923211040.GN30871@digitalkingdom.org> References: <38be6f52-9655-414a-adbe-8eb94559fd5f@e34g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <20100923200001.GG30871@digitalkingdom.org> <20100923200644.GI30871@digitalkingdom.org> <20100923201719.GJ30871@digitalkingdom.org> <20100923203358.GL30871@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 173.13.139.234 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 06:08:08PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > Therefore, tatpi doesn't apply to me. > > > > I'm sorry, but tatpi just doesn't seem applicable there at all. >=20 > Fine, you say "tatpi" has a narrow meaning: physical energy > exhaustion. In general, when there is a possibility of narrow vs > wide meaning, Lojban tends to go with the wide meaning, because > it's usually easear to narrow down than to widen. It's not as if > the mental sense of tiredness is completely unrelated to the > physical sense. No, I'm not saying anything of the kind, I'm saying that "she was beginning to get tired of sitting there doing nothing" does not evoke the idea of "mental tiredness" to me at all; it looks to me like slang for "she was beginning to get bored". I certainly *would* use tatpi for mental tiredness; that's not what that line says to me. -Robin --=20 http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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