From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEMCP7-QEGgRpXe1p@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 23 14:34:11 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OytQc-0007Rb-V8; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:34:11 -0700 Received: by pwj6 with SMTP id 6sf780768pwj.16 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:34:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wNGpLE3p7x23B6BjD6X/XrnY/2N/qt+ns/khStjBvkk=; b=SCJoci+sgJDBGlCR9bh78OSs/K1A9eQKmJJo6GNNz9pnCeIs3u6PKGzvJhtOcuzJur cXHStd50dhwtVLXGoeMEDP5EWm+asQVhmoGazAOHIqeDzeOvK8GTs0qYRzfrax65wvL3 kOwf8+HjuayizLFIrcm+eNES1ROa4DtctS5Nc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; b=Ygi+MaAqsoHU+a6OXXvh1Po5ue9B1ymRYHmtBexMYaf+0BGYnGXPejJOLXdmMBS1+m 7WFBLCnL7aDqRrQLUH9WHjvqpwl5YXu21Luf1yaYFXK6nD58H4ZWecsscdYQqzVL3+oz v7TlSRJbghsTDPw4u7ztrvKFcQ0n4mswCgPhk= Received: by 10.142.44.6 with SMTP id r6mr90066wfr.22.1285277632563; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:33:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.10.2 with SMTP id 2ls1573297wfj.0.p; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.212.11 with SMTP id k11mr435451wfg.12.1285277632093; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.212.11 with SMTP id k11mr435450wfg.12.1285277632058; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (173-13-139-234-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id s33si1459630wfc.0.2010.09.23.14.33.51; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 173.13.139.234 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OytQM-0007RQ-Vb for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:33:51 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:33:50 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version Message-ID: <20100923213350.GQ30871@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100923201719.GJ30871@digitalkingdom.org> <20100923203358.GL30871@digitalkingdom.org> <20100923211040.GN30871@digitalkingdom.org> <20100923212104.GO30871@digitalkingdom.org> <20100923212329.GP30871@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 173.13.139.234 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 06:26:44PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 02:21:04PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell > > wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 06:17:04PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > >> > > I certainly *would* use tatpi for mental tiredness; that's > >> > > not what that line says to me. > >> > > >> > OK, I ask again, what would you use for the wanted sense of > >> > "tired" in Lojban? (She has been sitting there bored stiff > >> > for a while, and is beginning to get tired of that.) > >> > >> ca'o to'e cinri , or similar. > > > > Erm. =A0co'a >=20 > So you don't think she's been bored up to that point? I thought > your argument was that her predicament was that she had been bored > from the beginning of her sitting there. How can she start feeling > unintrerested just now? My primary argument is that tatpi is about expending something, specifically effort of some kind, and running out of some resource as a result, and that I don't think that applies here. My reading is that she had managed to entertain herself thus far and now was running out of interesting things to think about, which doesn't feel like "I'm tired from doing math homework all night" or "I'm tired from jogging for an hour", which is what I think tatpi is. I would accept tatpi for "I'm tired of trying to think up interesting things to do", but not "I'm tired of sitting here doing nothing". Having said that, you're right; Veijo's fanza is better. -Robin --=20 http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.