From lojban+bncCICntNPQBRCktvDkBBoE4y0UBg@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 23 20:29:55 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Oyyyu-0000up-Gi; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:29:55 -0700 Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12sf4310299qyk.16 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:29:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xofrUEJhp9Y7mpj+6yZjjaN4ws5TR2OoHF8WZZ1RW0g=; b=A/1HnGGLinMXlbXSl7G817exv4Wint1iB+EZjOwcmc8n2NrzahyHnhg+iCDXKFjUV1 +83KER0Y/Ttjs6rUhmmDzJmfMZJigmiGNP7zQuD2FlnQ1hIURqsHggUCSOWmBgGfa7rm FhHAP0bihj1RJGSKr9M/WlXun4sho4P/tgmrE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=0cYPCXIREPoK5/4kxKUozNIM1vhyGpYFDZRL8iYxHN/IR1gbA0/p4JrBlIZKKNgQSr V/rfUi6Mrp51jRbX6I6l/zrGmTmprIkka9qjxLmUIDkB0Jd/uhwCri0EvktWwUS7WPag +7TKhQnHxOuErNbFvDVzSTU5pokP3En5Rl7F4= Received: by 10.229.2.95 with SMTP id 31mr359045qci.32.1285298980514; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:29:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.58.228 with SMTP id i36ls438743qah.4.p; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:29:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.69.202 with SMTP id a10mr364326qaj.7.1285298979771; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by g10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:29:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 32.173.191.114 References: <38be6f52-9655-414a-adbe-8eb94559fd5f@e34g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <20100923101847.c398dcec.kfa@gmx.net> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.10) Gecko/20100915 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6.10,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <8b9a0138-57ef-4e4c-a343-653b4f481e8d@g10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version From: Lindar To: lojban X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't mean to sound rude, but we are two native English speakers (myself and Robin), and you are not. The meaning of the phrase, in my native understanding of English, is that she grew bored with it. I promise that it does not mean that she grew fatigued as a direct result of being bored. "I tire of this." means "I grow bored with this." or "This no longer interests me." Especially in this sense considering what kind of person Alice is. One could definitely argue that she could have grown tired as an indirect result of being bored (boredom leads to depression, depression leads to stress, stress leads to physical fatigue, physical fatigue is {tatpi}), but that's not what is being conveyed in the original English. One could also argue that in certain instances, tiring of something could be annoyance, but this is definitely not the case as it does not fit the situation at all. In the sense that it's used, I believe it's a metaphorical extension, which does not translate very well/at all into Lojban. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.