From lojban+bncCNCCoMTMDhCS3vHkBBoEEMqwDA@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 24 02:28:01 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Oz4ZS-000688-4T; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:28:01 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf588997wwe.16 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:27:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=OYZuD2Mqmxkk3/3ThnRkWP49cDM62IvhFDeO24cjCEk=; b=x61H94sBO3Ga2tKDViPqKxu3kAV9lEfCbblhJhHRIg27bUw9akM5AKK2Ke+jHM2HGH MftPqtZh32tb/Jz90KEm9rLWwAt6LuwtpwAO0Z78HrsXD/5NbuMj8o/Z3c59+VXisSaR FPgl3PvACZK97XaCJIRz6HAEbA8E6o4xQFZfk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=EPECMnzgI7hW8V6u47/8j8nvvi5aiJUiNYVaEUOk+oQzIBqhSqw15doIY282lRwjBz +3VEJouPs+88sxUEmS18sKubukU5eL5+S4mzoGmgi+qo75LdZ+NDKsNkI9Oye0uWPq1d S259m5F6j+qqUfOMCOfZOK7GIachPE4k+KxA8= Received: by 10.216.144.194 with SMTP id n44mr590267wej.19.1285320466342; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:27:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.101.19 with SMTP id a19ls460555wbo.3.p; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.148.4 with SMTP id n4mr182917wbv.0.1285320464981; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.148.4 with SMTP id n4mr182916wbv.0.1285320464944; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f54.google.com (mail-ww0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ey20si736617wbb.6.2010.09.24.02.27.43; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.54; Received: by mail-ww0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 22so3561716wwb.35 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.23.213 with SMTP id s21mr2638026wbb.84.1285320463786; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:27:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.139.198 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:27:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Stela Selckiku Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 05:27:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] la za'e filjvocedra (The Age of Easy Lujvo) To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is something I've been thinking about for a while. There are some lujvo that are relatively easy to make. I'll call them za'e "filjvo" (frili zei lujvo, easy+lujvo). For example, there are all the words we've been making these days that start with jbo- (for lojbo, Lojbanic, Lojban related). They basically mean the same thing as the root that jbo- is added to, but in Lojban: jbosku, lojbo zei cusku, to express something in Lojban. jbota'a, lojbo zei tavla, to talk in Lojban. jbopli, lojbo zei pilno, to use Lojban. jbosnu, lojbo zei casnu, to discuss in Lojban. jbocre, lojbo zei certu, to be an expert at Lojban. jboce'u, lojbo zei cecmu, the Lojban community. And it would be quite easy to make more, like: za'e jboxa'a, lojbo zei xatra, a letter in Lojban. za'e jbocli, lojbo zei cilre, to learn Lojban. za'e jbotadni, lojbo zei tadni, to study Lojban. za'e jboctu, lojbo zei ctuca, to teach Lojban. za'e jboge'a, lojbo zei gerna, Lojbanic grammar. Those are all obvious enough that I'm sure some of them are being used already and I just haven't noticed. As another example, it's quite easy to make lujvo by adding tce- (mutce, very, extremely) to give an amplified version, like these examples: tcegei, mutce zei gleki, very happy, overjoyed, ecstatic. tcecrogau, mutce zei cortu zei gasnu, to cause a lot of pain, to torture. tcebra, mutce zei barda, very large, gigantic, enormous. tcepru, mutce zei purci, very far in the past, ancient. And of course: tcetce, mutce zei mutce, very extremely! And of course it would be easy to make more of these, like: za'e tcedri, mutce zei badri, extremely sad, distraught. za'e tceda'o, mutce zei darno, very distant, very far. za'e tcefe'u, mutce zei fengu, quite angry, enraged, incensed, furious. za'e tcefrili, mutce zei frili, very easy, trivial. za'e tcecni, mutce zei cinmo, very emotional, passionate. Another rafsi that I've been using in this fashion is mle- (melbi, beautiful, aesthetically pleasing). I believe I'm the only person to take up this pattern, but I've been tossing a few words out there: za'e mlevla, melbi zei valsi, a beautiful word. za'e mlejvo, melbi zei lujvo, a beautiful lujvo. za'e mlebau, melbi zei bangu, a beautiful language. And here's a few more off the top of my head: za'e mlebra, melbi zei barda, beautifully large, I think of Grand Central Station. za'e mlelardai, melbi zei larcu zei dacti, a beautiful work of art. za'e mlesi'o, melbi zei sidbo, a beautiful idea. Making lujvo this way might seem like it's almost too easy, like it must be cheating! But i believe that this style of lujvo actually adds a lot to our language. While the surface meaning of a word like "tcebra" is obvious-- it's something very large-- it also gives birth to a rich new space of connotation where deep subtle meanings can begin to take root. For instance there is a subtle difference in feeling between things that are "enormous" or "gigantic" or "titanic" or "colossal" or "immense". The feeling of what it is to be "tcebra" hopefully won't quite exactly match any of those, or any other word from any other language, it will be a new feeling that belongs only to us as Lojbanists. So i would actually like to encourage the creation of za'e filjvo. I would even like to instigate a za'e filjvocedra, an age of easy lujvo. I think it can give us some space to breathe, some room to move. We can begin to establish these particular places, and to slowly imbue them with a richness which future Lojbanists will receive and cherish. ko te pinka mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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