From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDMn_PkBBoEXbsEGw@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 24 09:20:45 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OzB0s-0000x1-76; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:20:45 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf1723877gwb.16 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:20:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=CTLlOaiFsj6kxytWDDxY2LiuTrk94OJGlpr1iQArMAo=; b=BCf8g7OSC5RmjLmNfzNMAHW5kNjn3aYvLY9r1zplSPoBwOnwgRg9iA73rmeue3SlIE TKvjdjLtnyNXIBFyYP4UfZAFWheN/Kn87eSJZGFW6t7OOQpGaV0ITCweLNpwpBZTDOPZ CvVCqC7Iz0DNp7YD7JTo/CReP5dr9rrlKYCgI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=W5hg9jl9vDRnq7mCggBte/0eB3faNXh0Fj/u4U528xGT8YH2iWrv4kmE/pVmJH2Jna PfVtdxDEZd+94xAFyZtWGKQTfzl1ZUaMa1huAYezvIHJTIkKRmdQcdLSjZV4DvXM1Y0O L9Iia7vnSDwFDdU97DXfcfbrilEDM6a0wEfNA= Received: by 10.91.220.5 with SMTP id x5mr505236agq.21.1285345229013; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:20:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.123.203 with SMTP id q11ls832623ibr.2.p; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.82 with SMTP id o18mr513476ibk.15.1285345228311; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.82 with SMTP id o18mr513475ibk.15.1285345228262; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f176.google.com (mail-iw0-f176.google.com [209.85.214.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e25si1446593ibk.7.2010.09.24.09.20.27; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.176; Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so2599537iwn.35 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:20:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.155.7 with SMTP id q7mr4119501ibw.105.1285345226932; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.133 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:20:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <38be6f52-9655-414a-adbe-8eb94559fd5f@e34g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <20100923101847.c398dcec.kfa@gmx.net> <8b9a0138-57ef-4e4c-a343-653b4f481e8d@g10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:20:26 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d26cdcaa4560049103c1f0 --0016e6d26cdcaa4560049103c1f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/9/24 Jorge Llamb=EDas > > That's what we are discussing. Does the Lojban "tatpi" cover this > sense of the English "tired of" or not? Robin says that to him this > sense, let's call it "exhaust of interest", is too unrelated to the > "exhaust of strength" or even "exhaust of patience" senses to be > covered by the same word in Lojban. I say they are related enough to > be covered by the same word. The dispute is about how wide "tatpi" is, > not about what English "tired of" means. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > It was my impression that Robin's argument is that {tatpi} doesn't cover "tired of", not because it is not physical, but because she's not doing anything. Being mentally exhausted from playing chess for 10 straight hours is most certainly {tatpi}, but being bored from having nothing to do, in agreement with Robin, I do not think is. --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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That's what we are discussing. Does the Lojban "tatpi" = cover this
sense of the English "tired of" or not? Robin says that to him th= is
sense, let's call it "exhaust of interest", is too unrelated = to the
"exhaust of strength" or even "exhaust of patience" sen= ses to be
covered by the same word in Lojban. I say they are related enough to
be covered by the same word. The dispute is about how wide "tatpi"= ; is,
not about what English "tired of" means.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

It was my impression t= hat Robin's argument is that {tatpi} doesn't cover "tired of&q= uot;, not because it is not physical, but because she's not doing anyth= ing. Being mentally exhausted from playing chess for 10 straight hours is m= ost certainly {tatpi}, but being bored from having nothing to do, in agreem= ent with Robin, I do not think is.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le= bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to= the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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