From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDIxPPkBBoEt0STAg@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 24 10:39:39 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OzCFD-0006Re-2d; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:39:38 -0700 Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1sf1719359gya.16 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:39:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=PcbldcBiLPlcTpAjIhUR2OuApJLHWzItfPjf7GbExyg=; b=344QvNweYNWRV6sVoC3V58zeZA7C9sGoY5uEUZf7nnoJKxo0LgJfzf3tlybxskSQWh l5KLs1yndhbn7FV53Au/ZH+gL/edIIY+/YhlhR/z/abd+4r0EKfeV9BZ/WNguE96oItv NPtBc89SCfWgLlkhq/48zsQmeZPuNY4XqgysM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ngxj+qnqBHxcf8OeKb2PZO7hUp8AJxAYLHXiBTGUBLa9Ec3fJ53YNB0UMV7UXj2G2p JF5uoX5deWj3vdFsyZp0s0IFS0B06UmVtJy3Z+sUQrx7pjyT96IWietYp9qqcOgPscEn rFbOJODP7HQCRGKM2kvCtD9Y9W/CfktV8TzgE= Received: by 10.91.43.20 with SMTP id v20mr519552agj.13.1285349960560; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:39:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.69.15 with SMTP id r15ls1320135aga.1.p; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.98.9 with SMTP id v9mr1008630ybb.53.1285349959946; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.98.9 with SMTP id v9mr1008629ybb.53.1285349959895; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id v6si1781252ybe.8.2010.09.24.10.39.18; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.172; Received: by mail-gx0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 20so1484746gxk.17 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:39:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.11.4 with SMTP id o4mr4935860ybi.85.1285349958618; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:39:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <38be6f52-9655-414a-adbe-8eb94559fd5f@e34g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <20100923101847.c398dcec.kfa@gmx.net> <8b9a0138-57ef-4e4c-a343-653b4f481e8d@g10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:39:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6a634b20e1d049104db86 --000e0cd6a634b20e1d049104db86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well hang on, she grew tired of sitting by her sister and doing nothing. I= f one were doing something that was extremely taxing on the body, they would very quickly become tatpi. If one were doing something very taxing to one'= s interest i.e. doing something boring, they could become tatpi On Sep 24, 2010 12:20 PM, "Jonathan Jones" wrote: > 2010/9/24 Jorge Llamb=EDas > >> >> That's what we are discussing. Does the Lojban "tatpi" cover this >> sense of the English "tired of" or not? Robin says that to him this >> sense, let's call it "exhaust of interest", is too unrelated to the >> "exhaust of strength" or even "exhaust of patience" senses to be >> covered by the same word in Lojban. I say they are related enough to >> be covered by the same word. The dispute is about how wide "tatpi" is, >> not about what English "tired of" means. >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> > > It was my impression that Robin's argument is that {tatpi} doesn't cover > "tired of", not because it is not physical, but because she's not doing > anything. Being mentally exhausted from playing chess for 10 straight hours > is most certainly {tatpi}, but being bored from having nothing to do, in > agreement with Robin, I do not think is. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do > zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com = . > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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Well hang on, she grew tired of sitting by her sister and doing nothing.= =A0 If one were doing something that was extremely taxing on the body, they= would very quickly become tatpi.=A0 If one were doing something very taxin= g to one's interest i.e. doing something boring, they could become tatp= i

On Sep 24, 2010 12:20 PM, "Jonathan Jones&q= uot; <eyeonus@gmail.com> wro= te:
> 2010/9/24 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>
>> <snip>
>> That's what we are discussin= g. Does the Lojban "tatpi" cover this
>> sense of the En= glish "tired of" or not? Robin says that to him this
>> = sense, let's call it "exhaust of interest", is too unrelated = to the
>> "exhaust of strength" or even "exhaust of patience&= quot; senses to be
>> covered by the same word in Lojban. I say th= ey are related enough to
>> be covered by the same word. The dispu= te is about how wide "tatpi" is,
>> not about what English "tired of" means.
>>
= >> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>
>
> It was my im= pression that Robin's argument is that {tatpi} doesn't cover
> "tired of", not because it is not physical, but because she&= #39;s not doing
> anything. Being mentally exhausted from playing che= ss for 10 straight hours
> is most certainly {tatpi}, but being bored= from having nothing to do, in
> agreement with Robin, I do not think is.
>
> --
> = mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le = bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do
> zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>
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