From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEJjP8-QEGgQgNvJD@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 24 11:02:18 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OzCb8-0007kx-61; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:02:18 -0700 Received: by pwj6 with SMTP id 6sf1015388pwj.16 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:02:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XK5lYLc/ZdYlB140tCkeDdOI4BAliFV6Bh6nWXA7yAY=; b=d5W2CYtHNL3jsSRDyjmai0VnTzXkuxDPkqowXC8SLnvjDT17cnFtv0tN1WuuRAeFCA Oc798Dr2+hIgk0xEi6E6x5HVG+ILnQ5zI8n1CJ74UTytB3hkWCYVYN6TedjUoo+NUm8d yjXcNKmdyqcnnFhlsgFjtW/l3BX76vihTtxmE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; b=DFYFHkzXcoBezKtXca10s6BZluldt3+WwF2V/y5O7908RoLCykDULDNKMGxgpz9/Et qsHlc3ozt9P1feMSs2CVj5SZTdPwA29Q6/I4LyGtuiXsaxoZfbhOY3Tfmhm0mZ2XXptz rXYjk1lplSDKybAnqnczh9bTfxR7L+1U3Oc2Q= Received: by 10.142.3.26 with SMTP id 26mr235996wfc.26.1285351320620; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:02:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.6.9 with SMTP id 9ls2676399wff.3.p; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.143.9 with SMTP id q9mr688608wfd.25.1285351319948; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.143.9 with SMTP id q9mr688607wfd.25.1285351319922; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (173-13-139-234-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id s33si2724983wfc.4.2010.09.24.11.01.59; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 173.13.139.234 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OzCas-0007ev-Uc for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:01:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:01:58 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version Message-ID: <20100924180158.GA30871@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100923101847.c398dcec.kfa@gmx.net> <8b9a0138-57ef-4e4c-a343-653b4f481e8d@g10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 173.13.139.234 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:06:44AM -0400, Craig Daniel wrote: > 2010/9/24 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > > arguing about what the English "tired of" means, that's clear > > enough. We are discussing whether or not the Lojban word "tatpi" > > has a meaning wide enough to go beyond pysical exhaustion or > > fatigue. >=20 > I'd say "tatpi" unambiguously *can* go beyond physical exhaustion > at least as far as mental exhaustion, and that is not under > question as far as I can tell. Alice is not experiencing what I > would normally call mental exhaustion, though, and the question is > whether "tatpi" is broad enough to cover the experience she is > having. Exactly. -Robin --=20 http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.