From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCN0vPkBBoEOv4VUg@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 24 11:08:32 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OzChA-0008Dx-9m; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:08:32 -0700 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9sf1755476gxk.16 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:08:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=iY4ZiaynCKIonmUur3mCxRUpo2JEUjVGgiQVp3b8jy0=; b=sxVLLaKrkMzZdZ+eul/KoF3eyVVmvaR0AHsYPrrN5tGmeL8h27mR3Do5xMXBQGEyBR XuNeRgd7RjTwuLD2ZgsdvAh2WuxjHEpfK01WgrGSImC7tGRGSCEVtiFWvhP3YmaRk1s9 Sxkzgp2BckB2hCjCkV3lVtopDgNMPul/84wUI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=0V6++iog5TO0eKKTOGqPEfRc98P07VurmEPPrOQrTE/VpGo4G+v7uiJQj35vaOJZa0 pfF54dkyjcNx77Uo4XjfbG09VayjEMKYYjQs7IEi4iTH/g6hr/81Z0gMK5j3d5R6CwtV IwNU8sJ236Iv4M0YvZ7BfIGK/o6CjpuBjKDj4= Received: by 10.90.101.5 with SMTP id y5mr523833agb.28.1285351693222; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:08:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.103.16 with SMTP id a16ls1329102agc.3.p; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.132.21 with SMTP id j21mr988427ybn.23.1285351692614; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.132.21 with SMTP id j21mr988426ybn.23.1285351692577; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f177.google.com (mail-yx0-f177.google.com [209.85.213.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k8si1804620ybd.3.2010.09.24.11.08.11; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.177; Received: by yxm34 with SMTP id 34so1333290yxm.22 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:08:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.197.3 with SMTP id u3mr4239418anf.208.1285351691363; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.133 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:08:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100924180158.GA30871@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100923101847.c398dcec.kfa@gmx.net> <8b9a0138-57ef-4e4c-a343-653b4f481e8d@g10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <20100924180158.GA30871@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:08:11 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64135bcf9a8180491054271 --0016e64135bcf9a8180491054271 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, thesaurus.com gave me the following synonyms for "bored", I've provided jbovlaste entries for those words that have them: blas=E9, disinterested {nalci'i}, dull, fatigued {kamtatpi} {tatpi}, inattentive {.a'acu'i} , sick and tired, spiritless, tired {tatpi}, turned off In the context of Alice being tired of sitting around doing nothing, I woul= d say {nalci'i} or similar would be most appropriate. On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:06:44AM -0400, Craig Daniel wrote: > > 2010/9/24 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > > > arguing about what the English "tired of" means, that's clear > > > enough. We are discussing whether or not the Lojban word "tatpi" > > > has a meaning wide enough to go beyond pysical exhaustion or > > > fatigue. > > > > I'd say "tatpi" unambiguously *can* go beyond physical exhaustion > > at least as far as mental exhaustion, and that is not under > > question as far as I can tell. Alice is not experiencing what I > > would normally call mental exhaustion, though, and the question is > > whether "tatpi" is broad enough to cover the experience she is > > having. > > Exactly. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0016e64135bcf9a8180491054271 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, thesaurus.com gave me the followin= g synonyms for "bored", I've provided jbovlaste entries for t= hose words that have them:

blas=E9, disinterested {nalci'i}, dul= l, fatigued {kamtatpi} {tatpi}, inattentive {.a'acu'i} , sick and t= ired, spiritless, tired {tatpi}, turned off

In the context of Alice being tired of sitting around doing nothing, I = would say {nalci'i} or similar would be most appropriate.

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@= digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:06:44AM -0400, Craig Daniel wrote:
> 2010/9/24 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
> > arguing about what the English "tire= d of" means, that's clear
> > enough. We are discussing whether or not the Lojban word "ta= tpi"
> > has a meaning wide enough to go beyond pysical exhaustion or
> > fatigue.
>
> I'd say "tatpi" unambiguously *can* go beyond physical e= xhaustion
> at least as far as mental exhaustion, and that is not under
> question as far as I can tell. Alice is not experiencing what I
> would normally call mental exhaustion, though, and the question is
> whether "tatpi" is broad enough to cover the experience she = is
> having.

Exactly.

-Robin

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