From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCztfTkBBoEGNTnYA@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 24 14:40:18 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OzG06-0006Av-Lz; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:40:18 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf749641wwe.16 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:40:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gIY+ZscPa40hW1nqYBTfCsmAhQEOolgmbD7Of6Zu/jI=; b=umTAthYMGkNU/srkA5LiXC9++r2xF2r7OCcQ8lq7azqpYsoOkqr63Ofrs0kzAWZXWY CydEc1mczKYyr1mp7LY3dBkHq5yQ8Ki8W/6++skQbQt6FCxQRnWp38Dn9kBdt/8Iv0Uz HiFH8vMZ0ByF/glpGAqgLgditxCrJHsoQ0dsE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HIT8nl9YvcJ+1qoEeJ0XeKE2Fg/PpnrK8vHbRo/mzy8VA4VqUICpzAEGtbgGYLiqgx 8uZLeNYRV6nZfblZqA9aabS2c/ae30CdgZ5ByxWTOs+n0tnGkFTYVD56UPdoCAFcQync 3PeupWZG6TiW96xL1D8XxxQBh5DjsAxJhe414= Received: by 10.216.145.167 with SMTP id p39mr820748wej.25.1285364403042; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:40:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.101.19 with SMTP id a19ls649520wbo.3.p; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.136.195 with SMTP id s3mr206311wbt.25.1285364401250; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.136.195 with SMTP id s3mr206310wbt.25.1285364401208; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ey20si965580wbb.6.2010.09.24.14.40.00; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.181; Received: by wyf28 with SMTP id 28so2952003wyf.26 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:40:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.156.196 with SMTP id y4mr3219109wbw.219.1285364400002; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:39:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <38be6f52-9655-414a-adbe-8eb94559fd5f@e34g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <20100923101847.c398dcec.kfa@gmx.net> <8b9a0138-57ef-4e4c-a343-653b4f481e8d@g10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <726959.354.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:39:59 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > nice diversion. =A0You're right, that's pretty awful now that I think of = it. > =A0{zukte fi no da} means that I perform some act but with no goal. =A0No= t that > I do nothing because I have nothing to do. =A0It's actually the opposite = of > "do nothing". "mi zukte fi no da" does NOT mean that I perform some act but with no goal. It says that there is no goal such that I'm performing some act with it as its goal. It says nothing about whether I'm performing any acts with no goals or not. In any case, the book does not say that Alice is doing nothing. It only says that she is sitting by her sister on the bank (that's something she is doing right there) having nothing to do. "She has nothing to do" is not the same as "she is doing nothing". mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.