From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDvvvTkBBoEw9aLlA@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 24 15:00:29 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OzGJe-00077A-SY; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:00:29 -0700 Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1sf1776525gya.16 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:00:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0ztPhpqT6kQL1Rkb5iP2W27pBR2FvobcBeLJyYmBG5Q=; b=7HrKR2OfjEiy2SUyp/pJpDeHOYEADZahEMCLhBoiD04tomoPSAmC1/t5G0fUlz83Oj yfVvf2DWlvUSBo8UV6qZxUZLn0P1j64zNzKO8Oa8iYkDYU7zZMoSmchTnLJe6lyjXxJv L24Oh2sAcUTDBvBXCIOh2OSIBtCsG+TlXc+oQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=FX/gMcqJ7h3nWUhS/20D1vDmG0b/spCYdYBf+x3qj7PYC3NV+XzQ/nNlY1qY3GF6ZE 8fnFxHemN/l7HDz6eK4f3aB8A5PIDHbzSn3i2BQePqQjtxqHu46YBF5OopekpLNjEeg3 gnP2IrBhPWsN6dCOLWbD7zhinrTVGf3dWkCEM= Received: by 10.91.12.6 with SMTP id p6mr558306agi.42.1285365615746; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:00:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.55.74 with SMTP id t10ls905500ibg.3.p; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.36.140 with SMTP id t12mr656268ibd.4.1285365615234; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.36.140 with SMTP id t12mr656267ibd.4.1285365615177; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f178.google.com (mail-iw0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id z37si1640988ibq.4.2010.09.24.15.00.14; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.178; Received: by mail-iw0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 35so2354724iwn.9 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:00:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.160.77 with SMTP id m13mr4535981ibx.22.1285365613977; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:00:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <38be6f52-9655-414a-adbe-8eb94559fd5f@e34g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <20100923101847.c398dcec.kfa@gmx.net> <8b9a0138-57ef-4e4c-a343-653b4f481e8d@g10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <726959.354.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:00:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d447efd3e1da04910880b3 --0016e6d447efd3e1da04910880b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ah, you're right with regard to alice. But as a side note, is that really true? If I say {mi te pinka fo no da} I would think that I was saying "I make a comment to nobody", that is, I am making some comment but am not addressing anybody with it. It is making an assertion that I am making a comment and that that comment is addressed to nobody. 2010/9/24 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > > nice diversion. You're right, that's pretty awful now that I think of > it. > > {zukte fi no da} means that I perform some act but with no goal. Not > that > > I do nothing because I have nothing to do. It's actually the opposite = of > > "do nothing". > > "mi zukte fi no da" does NOT mean that I perform some act but with no > goal. It says that there is no goal such that I'm performing some act > with it as its goal. It says nothing about whether I'm performing any > acts with no goals or not. > > In any case, the book does not say that Alice is doing nothing. It > only says that she is sitting by her sister on the bank (that's > something she is doing right there) having nothing to do. "She has > nothing to do" is not the same as "she is doing nothing". > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0016e6d447efd3e1da04910880b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ah, you're right with regard to alice. =A0But as a side note, is that r= eally true? =A0If I say {mi te pinka fo no da} I would think that I was say= ing "I make a comment to nobody", that is, I am making some comme= nt but am not addressing anybody with it. =A0It is making an assertion that= I am making a comment and that that comment is addressed to nobody.

2010/9/24 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> nice diversion. =A0You're right, that's pretty awful now that = I think of it.
> =A0{zukte fi no da} means that I perform some act but with no goal. = =A0Not that
> I do nothing because I have nothing to do. =A0It's actually the op= posite of
> "do nothing".

"mi zukte fi no da" does NOT mean that I perform some act b= ut with no
goal. It says that there is no goal such that I'm performing some act with it as its goal. It says nothing about whether I'm performing any acts with no goals or not.

In any case, the book does not say that Alice is doing nothing. It
only says that she is sitting by her sister on the bank (that's
something she is doing right there) having nothing to do. "She has
nothing to do" is not the same as "she is doing nothing".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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