From lojban+bncCIGHwM2rDhDPw_XkBBoEWtR6Jg@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 24 19:43:42 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OzKjj-0005NY-2f; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:43:42 -0700 Received: by pvc7 with SMTP id 7sf909502pvc.16 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:43:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=wQCCDXejUjfSWd+Kxcc0TyKFiAqY6jErEmu/DJ2RCsU=; b=GI/x2ZIExDri9UFiyh0iBo08n6KBYtnLpHYRlGSUCirdR9p57RqVF0ljYYm2s8c2eq ixoRzVbGHOdEmUlEpeapyjnMWXgqZS8QSFa4Ay+c2Zn/KaMl3tO5jnOk/tsaba+VZs0f GignkAgag47/andyDg94/JaYCeUavt2p1nqU4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=iYLzVp/KJ6EhDvFp8FjMr9gL19nde8bTb0bs5xPhOnYJSEXqclnZrDzZV0sGWv13cy AXWUnBCAZdSLsPz8X9zWqBsrNlIQ+SB1w7UOmLfMx9fGjHfcA07d9yEUzXCLEl6CRwf8 JAxM6HsehdC7NzYTE43J8MurJz+Lc6WeMJm+I= Received: by 10.115.100.20 with SMTP id c20mr342603wam.9.1285382607868; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:43:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.98.19 with SMTP id a19ls2325176wam.1.p; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.175.14 with SMTP id x14mr830087wae.19.1285382606832; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.175.14 with SMTP id x14mr830086wae.19.1285382606784; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-px0-f179.google.com (mail-px0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k37si3483818wae.6.2010.09.24.19.43.26; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.212.179 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=209.85.212.179; Received: by pxi1 with SMTP id 1so1281664pxi.38 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.156.18 with SMTP id d18mr3057917wfe.81.1285382606630; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (c-68-35-167-179.hsd1.nm.comcast.net [68.35.167.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v6sm3138312wfg.15.2010.09.24.19.43.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:43:22 -0600 From: Alan Post To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] Re: nu pa moi se nunkei la'e lu lo do ckiku ma zvati li'u lu'u Message-ID: <20100925024322.GB18705@alice.local> References: <20100925023935.GA18705@alice.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20100925023935.GA18705@alice.local> X-Original-Sender: alanpost@sunflowerriver.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.212.179 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline .aionys., As the other primary participant of the game, I'm specifically curious about your impressions. What went well? What went poorly? What was great? What was boring? I notice you used a lot of attitudinal indicators. Do you think this should become part of the baseline game? Are you typical or a-typical in this regard? I'd like this material to develop into the best Lojban training material it can be, so please give feedback with that in mind-- please don't be shy. -Alan On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 08:39:35PM -0600, Alan Post wrote: > .aionys., xorxes, and myself (.alyn.) have just played the first > ever game of "lo do ckiku ma zvati" on the mailing list xedbig. > > "lo do ckiku ma zvati" is "Where are your Keys?," a language > learning game in which I'm an early adopter. I've been porting this > game to Lojban at the website http://lodockikumazvati.org/. > > This game is designed to be played in person and spoken out loud, > and the dynamic is certainly different when played over a mailing > list. > > This game only featured one of the three major aspects of "lo do > ckiku ma zvati." It did not feature signing words, and it did not > feature the interjection of techniques, tips for learning the > material presented. > > Both xorxes and .aionys. have fluency in Lojban well beyond the > material we covered in this session. My intenion in playing was > to introduce .aionys. to the game, not to teach him Lojban. I > was concerned about holding his interest with such basic subject > matter, so once I established the basic framework of the game, I > accelerated play by introducing new vocabulary as rapidly as > possible. With less fluent players, the game could go more slowly, > depending on the fluency level of the participants. > > I intend to clean this transcript up and publish it as a play > example. I've been asked what exactly is "lo do ckiku ma zvati," > and this is now the best answer I've got. > > I would love to hear questions about things you find interesting or > curious, corrections to the grammar, and any feedback you have, > either as you watched the game being played or see it here now. > > The play session starts at the second "to'i" in this transcript. > Before that there is a brief discussion about the game. > > If you have the patience to read through the text, I think it ends > on a good and funny note. > > <++> pamoi > ni'o pa moi se nunkei la'e lu lo do ckiku ma zvati li'u lu'u > > to'i .i vi casnu lo pa moi nunkei toi > > .i la .alyn. cusku lu > > .i mi djica lo nu do kelci > .i ta rokci xu > > li'u .i la .aionys. cusku lu > > .i.ua mi na ca djuno lo javni > .i mi cilre .ije mi ba kelci > > li'u .i la .aionys. cusku lu > > .i xu do ctuca mi > > li'u .i la .alyn. cusku lu > > .i ta rokci .i ta mo > > li'u .i la .aionys. cusku lu > > .i ju'ocu'i ti na rokci .i ti skami > > li'u .i la selckikus. cusku lu > > .i ta na morsi .i ta surla > > li'u .i la .aionys. cusku lu > > .i.ienai mi skami nu surla .i ri gunka > > li'u .i la .alyn. cusku lu > > .i si'o ta rokci ku xanri ko > .i ta rokci .i ta mo > > li'u .i la .aionys. cusku lu > > .i mi na jimpe .i mi na djuno lo javni > > li'u .i la .alyn. cusku lu > > .i javni porsi > .i rodo ca cilre la lojban. > .i lo tadni ku monfu'i lo ctuca > .i do te preti > > li'u .i la .aionys. cusku lu > > .yyyyyy. .i ju'ocu'i ta rokci > > li'u > > to'i lo vi pa moi nunkei ku cfari toi > > .i la .alyn. cusku lu > > .i ta ja'a rokci .i ko'a goi ta rokci .i ko'e goi ta grana .i ko'a > mo .i ko'e mo > > li'u .i la .aionys. cusku lu > > .i.uacai.ui .i ko'a rokci .i ko'e grana > > li'u .i la .alyn. cusku lu > > .i xu ko'a grana .i xu ko'e rokci > > li'u .i la .aionys. cusku lu > > .i.ienai na go'u .i.ienai na go'u > > li'u .i la .alyn. cusku lu > > .i do drani > .i ko'a na grana .i ko'a ja'a rokci .i ko'e na rokci .i ko'e grana > .i ko'a pe mi .i lo rokci pe mi .i ko'e pe do .i lo grana pe do > .i lo rokci pe mi xu .i lo grana pe mi xu > > li'u .i la .aionys. cusku lu > > .i.ie go'u .i.ienai na go'u .i ko'a du lo rokci pe do .i ko'e du lo > grana pe mi > > li'u .i la .alyn. cusku lu > > .i .ua ko'a je'a du lo rokci pe mi .ije ko'e je'a du lo grana pe do > .i xu do djica lo za'i ponse be lo grana pe do > > li'u .i la .aionys. cusku lu > > .i.iecu'i naja'a go'i .i xu do djica > > li'u .i la .alyn. cusku lu > > .i mi djica lo za'i ponse be lo grana pe do .i xu do dunda lo grana > pe do mi > > li'u .i la .aionys. cusku lu > > .i ca ko'a goi lo rokci pe mi .ije ko'e goi lo grana pe do > > li'u .i la .aionys. cusku lu > > .i go'i gi'o do dunda ko'a mi > > li'u .i la .alyn. cusku lu > > .i mi dunda ko'a do .ije do dunda ko'e mi > .i mi ponse lo grana pe do .ije do ponse lo rokci pe mi > > li'u .i la .alyn. cusku lu > > .i mi lebna lo rokci pe mi do > .i mi ponse ro da > .i do ponse no da > > li'u .i la .aionys. cusku lu > > .i.ie do ponse re da .ije ponse ro da ki'u lonu do lebna.uinai > > li'u .i la xorxes cusku lu > > .i mi lebna lo rokci .e lo grana do > .i mi renro lo rokci .e lo grana lo lalxu > .i a'o no da za'o tavla fi lo mabla rokci .e lo mabla grana > > li'u .i la .alyn. cusku zo fa'o > <--> > > -- > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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