From lojban+bncCIGHwM2rDhDoz_XkBBoESZbNAQ@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 24 20:09:44 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OzL8u-0006bJ-CU; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:09:44 -0700 Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7sf968217pzk.16 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:09:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=xLc1qDGaavbiDGPRWe3zDv0F5iGFW/+6dCtcOnge6AU=; b=bPnw4XuI6/YtThs45kLUL3L7YvfE59RvOat0K4xpIfQj9tOFisS27aKHpe7X1io3v/ 5MfJ9x6BHtWch1LXisXBdN2O0GXloSxeG/X/h87D5G8T43HNXBVH8K47nZtNSF44uKAl 11tGa8dU1CtgEb2erPKZj2wZn31mfjKWuMQnk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=n4vhJ/ZKDFBgixa1mBK9tMd74Cxzmfa8h3fs9mhNhchlpSUlAT8jSng3tM6ZO8bykJ e/wGLZL+02R2xp1dYXLb4KWR4Sqr2WvfMqEPupr0cDkwt4ZLXrTNS6k8rR6u8VKkosM8 dLjsUGbUK+B+hT7PucxtzvzCP3ZCmHc/CssL4= Received: by 10.142.194.21 with SMTP id r21mr264368wff.28.1285384168631; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:09:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.194.14 with SMTP id r14ls1354999wff.2.p; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.80.17 with SMTP id d17mr934187wfb.26.1285384167882; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.80.17 with SMTP id d17mr934186wfb.26.1285384167862; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pv0-f175.google.com (mail-pv0-f175.google.com [74.125.83.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id s33si3276157wfc.4.2010.09.24.20.09.27; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 74.125.83.175 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=74.125.83.175; Received: by pvg6 with SMTP id 6so959641pvg.20 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.222.11 with SMTP id u11mr3541195wfg.331.1285384167722; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (c-68-35-167-179.hsd1.nm.comcast.net [68.35.167.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l42sm3164873wfa.21.2010.09.24.20.09.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:09:23 -0600 From: Alan Post To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: nu pa moi se nunkei la'e lu lo do ckiku ma zvati li'u lu'u Message-ID: <20100925030923.GD18705@alice.local> References: <20100925023935.GA18705@alice.local> <20100925024322.GB18705@alice.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alanpost@sunflowerriver.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 74.125.83.175 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 08:54:15PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Well, once I figured out what was going on, I'd say it all went fairly > smoothly. The problem was figuring out, well, what was going on. I was > especially confused when I asked how to play, and you replied "This is a > rock." I was like, "WTF?" I didn't really think any of it was boring, > although obviously .xorxes. disagreed. :) Obviously, the best part was > when he threw the rock and the stick into the lake and told us to shut up > about them, although that was also kind of the worst part since that was > also the end of the game. :) > Part of the problem here was that I was not fluent enough to translate enough of the rules of play into Lojban, and Hedwig required that I speak in Lojban. I had to think about it awhile to be able to articulate a set of bootstrapping rules. One thing I've learned from this play session is that playing over e-mail is helped when each of the players understands and approaches it as an improv performance. There are a set of six or so core techniques for improv, but the topical one here is "Yes, And." You say yes to whatever happens, and build the story by adding elements to those already in play. When we play next we'll just have to figure out what to do about our stick and rock being in the lake, and what do to about xorxes. We had just gotten to the part of the game that permits the greatest level of improvisation, as demonstrated by xorxes seizing that moment. > I notice you used a lot of attitudinal indicators. Do you think > this should become part of the baseline game? Are you typical > or a-typical in this regard? > > Well, one of the very, very few things I know about the game is that it > has techniques, like the rock, stick, > I'm-sure-there's-a-third-one-we-never-got-to one in the game we did. I > think it would be a great idea to have an attitudinal technique. So, if > that's what you mean by baseline, then yes. > > I honestly don't know if my use of attitudinals is typical or not. The > reason I used them is because I feel that it is a shame not to use such > wonderful words, and also, using them helps me to learn them. I actually > remember that .u'u is "Sorry!" and .au is "Eureeka!", due pretty much > entirely to the fact that I've been using them. > > So, I wish it was typical? > Good enough for me! That is what I mean. > I'd like this material to develop into the best Lojban training > material it can be, so please give feedback with that in mind-- > please don't be shy. > -Alan > > I think most of the people in both the Lojban and Lojban-Beginners groups > would describe me as many things, but I doubt shy is one of them. :) > Wonderful. I think it is worth pointing out that while you and I played the majority of this game, it is a game that permits a large number of players. My first exposure to the game involved 20 of us playing together. I hope to involve more of you, with varying levels of fluency, as the game progresses. -Alan -- .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.