From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCd0PXkBBoE1wS9DQ@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 24 20:10:39 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OzL9l-0006h9-N8; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:10:39 -0700 Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1sf1865515gya.16 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:10:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Au+sxmSdxl3C6SPXQSH8FiNlSQrRN5xHIC8g+uakXc4=; b=UpSMEsjuX6UHfZOIrBgE21PvHqNNDBtXBqB3Z34sLqfscsJ6LSspzXLC4rV7LcKUio 9Ee4ZxB1mfLBmeayZsPtbaAfdeK4RcIxpAzplnZPIiiIkiFzkjEvY2opekzVhyBuO1Kx og9+XWRQe/aFYeDZzH1O9pWXJNlcwY4U4Okrg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=HKKCayWLlPB5udTkN9Wam0e40gKUiQ+oF9TOP+8gXBZ14o5W7Zj7HDw3Ekz1v4xI5b RtDCoFNMQo9BNm+8G15OTx6dz0+pOmfQuzYjdl0S6lkmki/BKxAzgwlaNi9KiZIYjLAm b57tWEPdD9H+QoOVt11feoN43pxp+F1gE0UqQ= Received: by 10.91.220.5 with SMTP id x5mr573054agq.21.1285384221564; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:10:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.125.77 with SMTP id x13ls984141ibr.1.p; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.4.149 with SMTP id 21mr501814ics.11.1285384221043; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.4.149 with SMTP id 21mr501813ics.11.1285384220997; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e25si1808138ibk.7.2010.09.24.20.10.19; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.182; Received: by iwn34 with SMTP id 34so3644790iwn.13 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:10:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.79.77 with SMTP id o13mr4986531ibk.36.1285384219838; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.133 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:10:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100925023935.GA18705@alice.local> <20100925024322.GB18705@alice.local> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:10:19 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: nu pa moi se nunkei la'e lu lo do ckiku ma zvati li'u lu'u From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f872cad2d4a104910cd5a4 --001485f872cad2d4a104910cd5a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Where I'm quoted as saying { .i.ienai mi skami nu surla .i ri gunka}, I meant to say {na surla}. Again, me. At { .i.uacai.ui .i ko'a rokci .i ko'e grana} the {.i} in {.i ko'a} shouldn't be there. This one isn't really a grammar issue: At { .i.iecu'i naja'a go'i .i xu do djica}, the {naja'a} was me trying to say, basically, "I'm cool either way". I couldn't find a midpoint cmavo between {na} and {ja'a}. {.i ca ko'a goi lo rokci pe mi .ije ko'e goi lo grana pe do} is a few lines early. I said it after you said {.i mi dunda ko'a do .ije do dunda ko'e mi} but before you said {.i mi lebna lo rokci pe mi do}, because after the transfer of possession the {pe} was reversed. (Which also means that {lo rokci pe mi} should've been {pe do}. :) ) On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Alan Post wrote: > >> .aionys., >> >> As the other primary participant of the game, I'm specifically >> curious about your impressions. >> >> What went well? What went poorly? What was great? What was >> boring? >> > > Well, once I figured out what was going on, I'd say it all went fairly > smoothly. The problem was figuring out, well, what was going on. I was > especially confused when I asked how to play, and you replied "This is a > rock." I was like, "WTF?" I didn't really think any of it was boring, > although obviously .xorxes. disagreed. :) Obviously, the best part was when > he threw the rock and the stick into the lake and told us to shut up about > them, although that was also kind of the worst part since that was also the > end of the game. :) > > >> I notice you used a lot of attitudinal indicators. Do you think >> this should become part of the baseline game? Are you typical >> or a-typical in this regard? >> > > Well, one of the very, very few things I know about the game is that it has > techniques, like the rock, stick, > I'm-sure-there's-a-third-one-we-never-got-to one in the game we did. I think > it would be a great idea to have an attitudinal technique. So, if that's > what you mean by baseline, then yes. > > I honestly don't know if my use of attitudinals is typical or not. The > reason I used them is because I feel that it is a shame not to use such > wonderful words, and also, using them helps me to learn them. I actually > remember that .u'u is "Sorry!" and .au is "Eureeka!", due pretty much > entirely to the fact that I've been using them. > > So, I wish it was typical? > > >> I'd like this material to develop into the best Lojban training >> material it can be, so please give feedback with that in mind-- >> please don't be shy. >> >> -Alan > > > I think most of the people in both the Lojban and Lojban-Beginners groups > would describe me as many things, but I doubt shy is one of them. :) > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --001485f872cad2d4a104910cd5a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Where I'm quoted as saying { .i.ienai mi skami nu surla .i ri gunka}, I= meant to say {na surla}.

Again, me. At { .i.uacai.ui .i ko'a ro= kci .i ko'e grana} the {.i} in {.i ko'a} shouldn't be there.
This one isn't really a grammar issue: At { .i.iecu'i naja'= a go'i .i xu do djica}, the {naja'a} was me trying to say, basicall= y, "I'm cool either way". I couldn't find a midpoint cmav= o between {na} and {ja'a}.

{.i ca ko'a goi lo rokci pe mi .ije ko'e goi lo grana pe do} is= a few lines early. I said it after you said {.i mi dunda ko'a do .ije = do dunda ko'e mi} but before you said {.i mi lebna lo rokci pe mi do}, = because after the transfer of possession the {pe} was reversed. (Which also= means that {lo rokci pe mi} should've been {pe do}. :) )

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Jonathan Jo= nes <eyeonus@gmai= l.com> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:43 P= M, Alan Post <alanpost@sunflowerriver.org> wrote:<= br>
.aionys.,

As the other primary participant of the game, I'm specifically
curious about your impressions.

What went well? =A0What went poorly? =A0What was great? =A0What was
boring?

Well, once I figured out what was go= ing on, I'd say it all went fairly smoothly. The problem was figuring o= ut, well, what was going on. I was especially confused when I asked how to = play, and you replied "This is a rock." I was like, "WTF?&qu= ot; I didn't really think any of it was boring, although obviously .xor= xes. disagreed. :) Obviously, the best part was when he threw the rock and = the stick into the lake and told us to shut up about them, although that wa= s also kind of the worst part since that was also the end of the game. :) =A0
I notice you used a lot of attitudinal indicators. =A0Do you think
this should become part of the baseline game? =A0Are you typical
or a-typical in this regard?

Well, one of th= e very, very few things I know about the game is that it has techniques, li= ke the rock, stick, I'm-sure-there's-a-third-one-we-never-got-to on= e in the game we did. I think it would be a great idea to have an attitudin= al technique. So, if that's what you mean by baseline, then yes.

I honestly don't know if my use of attitudinals is typical or not. = The reason I used them is because I feel that it is a shame not to use such= wonderful words, and also, using them helps me to learn them. I actually r= emember that .u'u is "Sorry!" and .au is "Eureeka!"= , due pretty much entirely to the fact that I've been using them.

So, I wish it was typical?
=A0
I'd like this material to develop into the best Lojban training
material it can be, so please give feedback with that in mind--
please don't be shy.

-Alan

I think most of the people in both= the Lojban and Lojban-Beginners groups would describe me as many things, b= ut I doubt shy is one of them. :)

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk= . mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D= )




--
mu'o mi'= e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa= bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am y= our father. :D )

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