From lojban+bncCIGHwM2rDhDnh_bkBBoEJskjJA@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 24 22:09:10 2010 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OzN0V-0004r9-7V; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:09:09 -0700 Received: by pxi13 with SMTP id 13sf1244060pxi.16 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:09:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8rtwXQOnzFXrgARMr3B3zEwbKAKWex0N/cUXIK8LbcQ=; b=AL6ivOPQO3gTdb8LLqyrweDh/LejXtWAjeFa6LaTuUKW19b68c5Qd2GR1JO61hZNB2 9Ol2J67UgUNJcEdhuCvltt+Fs216TkhvQ5AfxgqPF2MzKAtqRldT24rBNl2y1kMYJiUX 8wv5GSuKuJdbETPmoqrJ/3+IgTCnhgLS5yv70= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; b=y57dKK9BJuY4GgdTn0HqwDjFce1VB7QR9nGX8WqJqG+4pmOWlvxnfgyC3/0eY6Vzy1 TF6cAwmvqd5/yVYHzhQdPuiKMcUpsuWnNyFyetKHA2qQOemc6Rsa+vjDe03yabWlUcds 6h8b7vrjzYsU7X0e7bpKgXianenuWZb5chk5E= Received: by 10.142.150.31 with SMTP id x31mr267899wfd.33.1285391335136; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:08:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.10.2 with SMTP id 2ls3147857wfj.0.p; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.202.18 with SMTP id z18mr1021977wff.46.1285391334473; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.202.18 with SMTP id z18mr1021976wff.46.1285391334438; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f51.google.com (mail-pz0-f51.google.com [209.85.210.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n18si3401557wfd.1.2010.09.24.22.08.54; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.210.51 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=209.85.210.51; Received: by pzk5 with SMTP id 5so1091308pzk.38 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.131.2 with SMTP id e2mr4797598wad.158.1285391334116; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (c-68-35-167-179.hsd1.nm.comcast.net [68.35.167.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c24sm4932731wam.19.2010.09.24.22.08.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:08:49 -0600 From: Alan Post To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: nu pa moi se nunkei la'e lu lo do ckiku ma zvati li'u lu'u Message-ID: <20100925050849.GJ18705@alice.local> References: <20100925023935.GA18705@alice.local> <20100925024322.GB18705@alice.local> <20100925031418.GE18705@alice.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alanpost@sunflowerriver.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.210.51 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:51:04AM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Alan Post = wrote: > > > > I need some way to say "I posses this stick which you own." (or the > > inverse, "I own the stick which you posses.") > > > > I thought that "pe" could be used in this way, so I could say: {.i > > mi ponse lo grana pe do} and mean "I have your stick." >=20 > That's more "I own your stick". >=20 > For "I'm holding the stick you own" you can use "mi jgari lo grana po do"= . >=20 I think the meaning truer to the intent of the game is "I own your stick." In physical play, the objects are arranged on the table with proximity determining ownership. So "my" stick would be in front of me, and someone takes it by moving it from in front of me to in front of them. They don't hold it after that, because their hands need to be free to continue signing. -Alan --=20 .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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