From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRD-w_nkBBoE7BOYAQ@googlegroups.com Sat Sep 25 13:57:14 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ozbnx-0001KA-Fi; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:57:13 -0700 Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1sf2711874gya.16 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:57:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=NCIU4etQlWWB7cEcWL9bPQPrGA3WV1F7BR/fi8f2LMA=; b=q3vIQ+UlrQMxNgmn69BRQn1+sZR4eGSwdJGH8GKGqkH0rthHAeWOERKg17AVm+Bxyt U8ToC5HkpBqSGyfsc3MrsAirLREkqSN/C94XR4i7N7cAWOqD/b1VeBwuiQcq3QgkRiNG sudisywNawj0uoj1GgTreNkgPEdbYv+K2SGm0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ibXy7Xz/1HSF9pEJZ4TXVSYh3Y8WRf93mpe0YQkYNmQ/jRN1hLHEqPoctUrlJWAEKK JYEI697i5ONfgTx0qi2rRvvtjtQ3Db1ndV/uoR4ns4pRlg5srWz5FKJ45XqPL4nRs+fZ VfFXpY2a5Y9esgBsPl83LnV1LbOyf2EYggrkA= Received: by 10.91.209.16 with SMTP id l16mr712334agq.31.1285448191287; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:56:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.83.8 with SMTP id k8ls1696488agl.0.p; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.42.14 with SMTP id u14mr1294560ybj.57.1285448188965; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.42.14 with SMTP id u14mr1294559ybj.57.1285448188917; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id v6si2797970ybe.8.2010.09.25.13.56.27; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.120 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.120; Received: (qmail 24991 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Sep 2010 20:56:27 -0000 Message-ID: <284536.23627.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: F_qMc8YVM1kiJjHlMmd56A2EIqzjoO_vhEPmDnDvm1sQDXN oaFRacUbexUbh6BALBQs8SZk2OduqXXha.Kz8bXVpRX2qKwcPBvWAhV5nHoD BjOURNv1RrqNTmNCRphQgsHykpvX40wjh1nfPKGqbTDNJsVUlfPZjXRduhPU WJlF8lkeYRV.n8N1fvEeKNA2.faodE29.lLOpa6jMCXdMfpSXda2mOHC0Cnz ylvS0GY.RvmZVfS8eH3AFjsalGD2__z1OVu9mXFHuzENUy8lJuL11x9fPGnx XbM5s1UNCjE2dy09OkOTbC3dfT2FPewSXn93bPPZyfMCHXse8DV3FeWq5Qlw aXGH1klG3ZPlSup6ihcZJgUYbj_UK6pb5cRiblg-- Received: from [99.92.110.13] by web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:56:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/497 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <38be6f52-9655-414a-adbe-8eb94559fd5f@e34g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <20100923101847.c398dcec.kfa@gmx.net> <8b9a0138-57ef-4e4c-a343-653b4f481e8d@g10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <726959.354.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <898522.38520.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <615016.22146.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <904767.37873.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <958903.64629.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:56:27 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.120 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-216308263-1285448187=:23627" --0-216308263-1285448187=:23627 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks. I do have gmail on the side, but yahoo sorts all my Lojban into a= =20 separate box; it just doesn't (yet) sort it into topic piles. ________________________________ From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 10:16:23 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:49 PM, John E Clifford wro= te: It means I have to stop and actually read them before I can clear my box an= d=20 that takes time away from other things I want to do. Not your problem, to = be=20 sure. Ah, I see. This is why I'm glad I use Gmail. this entire conversation is al= l=20 grouped together, so no cluttering of my inbox - although I actually have a= ll=20 Lojban-related messages skip the inbox and go straight to the Lojban folder= =20 anyway - and I pretty much just read it when I get to it. Like right now, I= have=20 the city design thread marked unread because, while I have no idea how to h= elp,=20 I am interested in the result of the help that is offered, so I'll look at = it at=20 some point in the future and read all the related messages in it at one go. So, in conclusion, you should get Gmail. ;) Well, that and the fact that I = know=20 from experience that Yahoo!s spam filter is not nearly as awesome. :D =20 > > ________________________________ From: Jonathan Jones >To: lojban@googlegroups.com >Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 7:25:40 PM > >Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version > > > >On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:46 PM, John E Clifford wr= ote: > >Well, as a linguistic philosopher (retired), I do find this about the most >>interesting discussion of the last considerable time, but it is coming to >>monopolize the list to the detriment of the usual trivia about failing=20 programs >>and flailing projects (and rather less interesting questions about word= =20 choice, >>where the target is much less clear). >> I fail to see how this is a bad thing. :)=20 ----- Original Message ---- >From: Jorge Llamb=EDas >To: lojban@googlegroups.com > >Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 6:15:03 PM >Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version > > >On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:10 PM, John E Clifford wr= ote: >> Lord love a duck! Are we going to have a full-blown pilpul on every wor= d in >> Alice (it has happened, in fact, in English already). xorxes' version= =20 stands. >> If you want another version, make it. And maybe someone should keep a >>variorum >> going questions. But clogging a lot of inboxes for a couple of days see= ms >> excessive. Maybe we need an Alice list -- separate and separately subsc= ribed >> to. > >There's the jbofanva list which may be more appropriate for tranlation iss= ues. > >As far as I'm concerned, the more posts the better, in whichever list, >my interest is nowhere near exhausted yet. > >mu'o mi'e xorxes > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >"lojban" group. >To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > > > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 >"lojban" group. >To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 >lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at=20 >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > > > >--=20 >mu'o mi'e .aionys. > >.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu = do=20 >zo'o >(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > --=20 > >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 >"lojban" group. >To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 >lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at=20 >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > > --=20 >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 >"lojban" group. >To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 >lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at=20 >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu d= o=20 zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. 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Thanks.  I do have gmail on the side, but yah= oo sorts all my Lojban into a separate box; it just doesn't (yet) sort it i= nto topic piles.

From: Jonathan Jo= nes <eyeonus@gmail.com>
To:<= /span> lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 10:16:23 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo = version

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:49 PM, John E Clifford= <kali9putra@y= ahoo.com> wrote:
It means I have to stop and actual= ly read them before I can clear my box and that takes time away from other = things I want to do.  Not your problem, to be sure.

Ah, I see. This is why I'm glad I use Gma= il. this entire conversation is all grouped together, so no cluttering of m= y inbox - although I actually have all Lojban-related messages skip the inb= ox and go straight to the Lojban folder anyway - and I pretty much just rea= d it when I get to it. Like right now, I have the city design thread marked= unread because, while I have no idea how to help, I am interested in the r= esult of the help that is offered, so I'll look at it at some point in the = future and read all the related messages in it at one go.

So, in conclusion, you should get Gmail. ;) Well, that and the fact tha= t I know from experience that Yahoo!s spam filter is not nearly as awesome.= :D
 


From: Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 7:25:40 PM

Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:46 PM, John E Clifford= <kali9putra@y= ahoo.com> wrote:
Well, as a linguistic philosopher (retired), I do find this about the most<= br> interesting discussion of the last considerable time, but it is coming to monopolize the list to the detriment of the usual trivia about failing prog= rams
and flailing projects (and rather less interesting questions about word cho= ice,
where the target is much less clear).

I fail to se= e how this is a bad thing. :)

----- Original Message ----
From: Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambi= as@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com=
Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 6:15:03 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:10 PM, John E Clifford= <kali9putra@yahoo.com> w= rote:
> Lord love a duck!  Are we going to have a full-blown pilpul on ev= ery word in
> Alice (it has happened, in fact, in English already).  xorxes' ve= rsion stands.
>  If you want another version, make it.  And maybe someone sh= ould keep a
>variorum
> going questions.  But clogging a lot of inboxes for a couple of d= ays seems
> excessive.  Maybe we need an Alice list -- separate and separatel= y subscribed
> to.

There's the jbofanva list which may be more appropriate for tranlation issu= es.

As far as I'm concerned, the more posts the better, in whichever list,
my interest is nowhere near exhausted yet.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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