From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhC5n_rkBBoEWGX0uA@googlegroups.com Sat Sep 25 17:11:54 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OzeqL-00040o-Fh; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:11:54 -0700 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9sf2897777gxk.16 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:11:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ZRtSwCXJ6To7AZpDMBJATPkCCz/UKW8CQz/wrCXkScQ=; b=HI98codYdvZpmCPWYpaVleEDJjA3qsuqQECu9nOXxCdcznTQojwS9tL3cCMGv26xtS pVcj5Wq/TTHaEpvPkdvNjRDkpk/57DqF0Y7F+1jBAqbbLmmVLSPwas/dA7h3m2KUwVEH q09Gj/3kE8Slk+E8bHcqB6tf58VCGnWExFh9w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=b/PlFhDCwZbVrKRT/OLWBz2urz1YzQHSfQcdbgkOTsE7FSsL7eJ2wgEYkNI9n+0drq oA334l5pdNuPounMJrKTphaYU9s+QRNd3x5Lyik8LPP/0Tg5FVg/mZjcC8Bu+Ri22MyC FF90e3obuwn8d3TxW/qyr8SKkGwJo5qkoas8M= Received: by 10.90.56.16 with SMTP id e16mr767032aga.27.1285459897984; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:11:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.193.98 with SMTP id dt34ls1302686ibb.0.p; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.58.206 with SMTP id i14mr935211ibh.0.1285459897139; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.58.206 with SMTP id i14mr935210ibh.0.1285459897097; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id z37si2491631ibq.4.2010.09.25.17.11.36; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.182; Received: by mail-iw0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 34so4956026iwn.41 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:11:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.156.65 with SMTP id v1mr6320539ibw.107.1285459895941; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.133 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:11:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <284536.23627.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <38be6f52-9655-414a-adbe-8eb94559fd5f@e34g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <20100923101847.c398dcec.kfa@gmx.net> <8b9a0138-57ef-4e4c-a343-653b4f481e8d@g10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <726959.354.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <898522.38520.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <615016.22146.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <904767.37873.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <958903.64629.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <284536.23627.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 18:11:35 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c933da787b3b04911e7447 --001636c933da787b3b04911e7447 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your welcome. Gmail does both, the former if you tell it to, the latter automatically. On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:56 PM, John E Clifford wrot= e: > Thanks. I do have gmail on the side, but yahoo sorts all my Lojban into = a > separate box; it just doesn't (yet) sort it into topic piles. > ------------------------------ > *From:* Jonathan Jones > *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Fri, September 24, 2010 10:16:23 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:49 PM, John E Clifford wr= ote: > >> It means I have to stop and actually read them before I can clear my box >> and that takes time away from other things I want to do. Not your probl= em, >> to be sure. >> > > Ah, I see. This is why I'm glad I use Gmail. this entire conversation is > all grouped together, so no cluttering of my inbox - although I actually > have all Lojban-related messages skip the inbox and go straight to the > Lojban folder anyway - and I pretty much just read it when I get to it. L= ike > right now, I have the city design thread marked unread because, while I h= ave > no idea how to help, I am interested in the result of the help that is > offered, so I'll look at it at some point in the future and read all the > related messages in it at one go. > > So, in conclusion, you should get Gmail. ;) Well, that and the fact that = I > know from experience that Yahoo!s spam filter is not nearly as awesome. := D > > >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Jonathan Jones >> *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com >> *Sent:* Fri, September 24, 2010 7:25:40 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version >> >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:46 PM, John E Clifford w= rote: >> >>> Well, as a linguistic philosopher (retired), I do find this about the >>> most >>> interesting discussion of the last considerable time, but it is coming = to >>> monopolize the list to the detriment of the usual trivia about failing >>> programs >>> and flailing projects (and rather less interesting questions about word >>> choice, >>> where the target is much less clear). >>> >> >> I fail to see how this is a bad thing. :) >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Jorge Llamb=EDas >>> To: lojban@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 6:15:03 PM >>> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:10 PM, John E Clifford >>> wrote: >>> > Lord love a duck! Are we going to have a full-blown pilpul on every >>> word in >>> > Alice (it has happened, in fact, in English already). xorxes' versio= n >>> stands. >>> > If you want another version, make it. And maybe someone should keep= a >>> >variorum >>> > going questions. But clogging a lot of inboxes for a couple of days >>> seems >>> > excessive. Maybe we need an Alice list -- separate and separately >>> subscribed >>> > to. >>> >>> There's the jbofanva list which may be more appropriate for tranlation >>> issues. >>> >>> As far as I'm concerned, the more posts the better, in whichever list, >>> my interest is nowhere near exhausted yet. >>> >>> mu'o mi'e xorxes >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps >>> "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps >>> "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patf= u >> do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --001636c933da787b3b04911e7447 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your welcome. Gmail does both, the former if you tell it to, the latter aut= omatically.

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:56 = PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks. =A0I do have gmail on the side, but yahoo sorts all my Lojban = into a separate box; it just doesn't (yet) sort it into topic piles.
<= b>From: Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com&= gt;
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, September 24, = 2010 10:16:23 PM

Subj= ect: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version
<= /font>

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:49 PM, John E Clifford= <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
It means I have to stop and actua= lly read them before I can clear my box and that takes time away from other= things I want to do. =A0Not your problem, to be sure.

Ah, I see. This is why I'm glad I use= Gmail. this entire conversation is all grouped together, so no cluttering = of my inbox - although I actually have all Lojban-related messages skip the= inbox and go straight to the Lojban folder anyway - and I pretty much just= read it when I get to it. Like right now, I have the city design thread ma= rked unread because, while I have no idea how to help, I am interested in t= he result of the help that is offered, so I'll look at it at some point= in the future and read all the related messages in it at one go.

So, in conclusion, you should get Gmail. ;) Well, that and the fact tha= t I know from experience that Yahoo!s spam filter is not nearly as awesome.= :D
=A0

From: Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@g= mail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups= .com
Sent: Fri, Sep= tember 24, 2010 7:25:40 PM

Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:46 PM, John E Clifford= <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, as a linguistic philosopher (retired), I do find this about the most<= br> interesting discussion of the last considerable time, but it is coming to monopolize the list to the detriment of the usual trivia about failing prog= rams
and flailing projects (and rather less interesting questions about word cho= ice,
where the target is much less clear).

I fail to se= e how this is a bad thing. :)

----- Original Message ----
From: Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 6:15:03 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:10 PM, John E Clifford= <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Lord love a duck! =A0Are we going to have a full-blown pilpul on every= word in
> Alice (it has happened, in fact, in English already). =A0xorxes' v= ersion stands.
> =A0If you want another version, make it. =A0And maybe someone should k= eep a
>variorum
> going questions. =A0But clogging a lot of inboxes for a couple of days= seems
> excessive. =A0Maybe we need an Alice list -- separate and separately s= ubscribed
> to.

There's the jbofanva list which may be more appropriate for tranlation = issues.

As far as I'm concerned, the more posts the better, in whichever list,<= br> my interest is nowhere near exhausted yet.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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